Talk:Petruchio

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References and Overall Content

There are no references or citations to prove any of the information in this article. There is also an overall lack in information on this very integral character for the play Taming of the Shrew. MaryamHasan97 (talk) 21:17, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

It may be useful to include the term "gaslight" (and a hyperlink to the gaslight wiki page) when talking about Petruchio manipulating Kate into accepting all of his claims as true. --Bmorgan9 (talk) 22:26, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

This article could use a character analysis section. --Bmorgan9 (talk) 22:55, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

I think good references are used for this article and I like how the character analysis section is relatively neutral and shows acknowledges multiple different perspectives/opinions of Petruchio, as opposed to being biased and reinforcing just one; however, I feel that the plot description needs to go into more detail. I also agree that mentioning the term "gaslight" would be beneficial to the article. Todwyer4 (talk) 20:16, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Kate Link

The hyperlink for Kate is unnecessary because it simply redirects back to the main play article which is already hyperlinked a line above. No need for two links to the same page within the lead. MaryamHasan97 (talk) 21:19, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Petruchio and Gaslighting

I removed the below material. This section seems like conjecture/interpretation on the editor's part, and lacks any third-party source discussing gaslighting and the play. (Also by the way this exchange is in 4.5; there is no scene 4.6). It is, I think, a stretch and misreading of the scene to say that Petruccio gaslights Katherina here or convinces her that the moon is the sun. At 4.5.11 Hortensio urges Katherina to go along with Petruccio's claim for otherwise "we shall never go," and Katherina's response is to essentially tell him: Fine, call it whatever you want. She is just going along with his nonsensical claims because it is easier in the moment than to argue. At 4.5.18 Petruccio even reverts to claiming it is the sun, to which she retorts, "but sun it is not, when you say it is not". ——Henry chianski (talk) 16:05, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

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One idea some scholars share is that Petruchio gaslights Katherina. Gaslighting is when an individual manipulates another person to the point where the victim questions their own sanity. Petruchio is supposedly guilty of gaslighting Katherina. This is seen primarily in Act 4, Scene 6 when Petruchio convinces Katherina that the moon is actually the sun. Originally Katherina fought against Petruchio, knowing that the sun is, in fact, the sun and the moon is the moon; however, eventually Katherina says "Forward, I pray, since we have come so far,/ And be it moon, or sun, or what you please./ And if you please to call it a rush candle,/ Henceforth I vow it shall be so for me" (4.6.12-15). Despite at first knowing that the sun is clearly the sun, she surrenders her argument and submits to whatever it is that Petruchio has to say. The use of gaslighting adds to the debate of this play's sexist nature. Men are typically the ones to use gaslighting, with women being the primary targets. In addition, when gaslighting is successful, as in it undermines the target in the way it was designed to. As a result, the sexist norms that the target was trying to avoid in the first place are enforced. This is seen in The Taming of the Shrew because Petruchio's use of gaslighting is meant to tame Katherina and turn her from an outspoken woman into an obedient wife.

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Petruchio Becomes the Shrew

The section listed as Petruchio Becomes the Shrew does not really present facts as much as it does conjecture. While parts of it are fact, the editor seems to believe that Petruchio is unaware of how his actions are interpreted by those around him. That is in no way supported by the text of the play.Zsivhawk (talk) 09:21, 25 October 2017 (UTC)