Talk:Peter Schöffer the Younger

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 08:25, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

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Gospel of John, printed by Schöffer in 1526

• ... that the first New Testament in English (page pictured) was printed by Peter Schöffer the Younger in Worms? Source: Diekamp, [1] or Oxford DNB article on Tyndale [2] (use TWL)
  • ALT1: ... that copies of the English New Testament (page pictured) printed by Peter Schöffer the Younger in Worms were hidden in bales of cloth and smuggled to England? Source: Oxford DNB, see also Library of Congress
  • ALT2: ... that the first complete German Protestant Bible was printed by Peter Schöffer the Younger in 1529? Source: Diekamp, as above, or Roth 1892 [3]
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Southwestern North American megadrought
  • Comment: ALT2 could also have an image, but I'm not certain about the available ones. Other hook suggestions welcome.

Moved to mainspace by Kusma (talk). Self-nominated at 10:12, 9 March 2022 (UTC).

Interesting bio, on good sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. I like the first hook best but think it needs "page pictured" (not the Testament). I'd like to somehow point out how unusual that is but we can't say "Germany" as that didn't yet exist. Perhaps ALT1 does that? ALT2 is less good for the English Wikipedia. The image is licensed and gives an idea of the time. - In the article: it should be "the Elder" to be consistent, or "his father". Please have an infobox or it looks like about a book. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:27, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I've changed to "page pictured" per your recommendation. I don't think adding "Germany" would be a problem: back in the day, Worms was in the German-speaking part of the Holy Roman Empire and has been a part of "Germany", understood broadly, for all of its history except a few Napoleonic years. I've changed the Elder to "his father" so PS the Elder has no disambiguator, while PS the Younger does. There are some fascinating stories to be told about the Tyndale Bible (I only hint at the re-discovery of the Stuttgart copy) but I think they belong in an article about the book, not about the printer. With my settings (I use larger images; it is slightly better with standard settings) I don't think there is space for an infobox, and I wouldn't know what to put in one anyway. The colophon shows the printer's mark, which is the most identifying thing I have, so I use that as top image. —Kusma (talk) 10:02, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Extraordinary Writ (talk · contribs) 00:37, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Glad to take a look. Everything seems to be in good shape; a few suggestions below:

• Capitalize "Bible" and "Anabaptist" (MOS:GOD)

  Done.

• Wikilink Mensural notation, Octavo

  Done.

• the Tyndale Bible, the first mass produced English edition of the New Testament, and the first complete German Protestant translation of the bible – this sounds like you're describing three different works. Consider "the Tyndale Bible, which was the first...", or perhaps you could put "the first mass produced...of the New Testament" in parenthesis.

  Done.

• "Mass produced" needs a hyphen.

  Done.

• where he married Anna Pfintzner – any idea what happened to Katharina?

  I think all that is known is that she died before he married Anna. I've found a source that makes an explicit guess that she died in Worms.

• also used in his brother's workshop and traded also – one "also" too many
• Done.
• combined own translations – combined his own translations

  Done.

• Do we know whether Schöffer was an Anabaptist himself?

  From what I can gather, he certainly wasn't opposed to them, but printing their books and pamphlets may have been more of a business opportunity than something religious to him. The modern sources seem to avoid saying something too definite here.

• Do we have any information about why he kept moving from place to place? I think I saw one source saying that he left Worms when the Anabaptists were expelled—might be worth mentioning if true.

  Mentioned the expulsion of the Anabaptists.

• The article is definitely on the shorter side—that's not a problem per se, but is there anything else that can be added? For instance, does this chapter ("The Songbooks of Peter Schöffer the Younger and Arnt von Aich: A Typographical Assessment") have anything useful? I don't read German, but does this have anything of value? It would be nice if the article had a bit more detail about his printing style, his later life, etc., although I certainly understand if the sources don't allow it.

  I've added a little bit. I haven't fully exhausted the available literature on his printing of music, but I think I'm giving enough of an outline now.

Hopefully this is helpful. An interesting article—thanks for your work on it! Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:37, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the helpful comments! I may need to do a bit of research to address some of your points (but that should be worth it). I can't make any promises when I'll be finished with that right now, though (me & the rest of the family are down with COVID, so my limited energy may be needed elsewhere in the next few days). I hope it won't be too long. —Kusma (talk) 09:35, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Not a problem: take as long as you need, and feel better soon! Extraordinary Writ (talk) 18:25, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Mostly recovered now, and I have worked on the article, hope I haven't messed it up too much :) Let me know what you think! Also, I'd like to ask you whether you think this image (see bottom of page) of "Sch[o]ef[f]er's workshop" is worth adding, even though it most likely is depicting his father's or brother's workshop? It certainly is a 16th century illustration of printing. @Extraordinary Writ: Thanks again for the helpful review and for digging up two new sources! —Kusma (talk) 20:50, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Looks good! For the image: you'd need to replace one of the current pictures (maybe the Haus zum Korb one?) because there's not enough space for four, but I think it would be a useful addition as long as the caption is clear—perhaps "Illustration of printing in a Schöffer family workshop" or something like that. Anyways, this is a pass for me: it's well-written, reasonably broad, fully cited, copyvio-free, and otherwise in accordance with the criteria. Thanks again for all your work on this! Cheers, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:32, 17 July 2022 (UTC)