Talk:Peter Parker (Sam Raimi film series)

This page was proposed for deletion by ImmortalWizard (talk · contribs) on 21 March 2019 with the comment:
This is a WP:CFORK of Spider-Man. A merge is not really required for this one. This does not meet WP:SPINOFF. The franchise the character is associated to is a comic book adaption rather than original creation. Though a popular character, there are many adaptions of Spider-Man/Peter Parker, and they don't really have any notable depth. WP:UNDUEWEIGHT should be considered in this case.
It was contested by BD2412 (talk · contribs)

This article was nominated for deletion on 21 March 2019. The result of the discussion was keep.

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Deletion proposal

With respect to BD2412's revert, I rewrite my message here.

This is a WP:CFORK of Spider-Man. A merge is not really required for this one. This does not meet WP:SPINOFF. The franchise the character is associated to is a comic book adaption rather than original creation. Though a popular character, there are many adaptions of Spider-Man/Peter Parker, and they don't really have any notable depth. WP:UNDUEWEIGHT should be considered in this case. Even the franchise (trilogy) itself is merged into Spider-Man in film. Therefore, this might also be considered a FORK of Spider-Man in film, since Spider-Man and Peter Parker are alter egos and the protagonists of the plot. Furthermore, there are no stand alone pages of the character Peter Parker himself (redirects to Spider-Man). THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 17:43, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ImmortalWizard, my recommendation is that if you feel like this should be deleted then you should seek out deletion via AfD, as this is something that would likely need to be discussed. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 17:45, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
AFD = Wikipedia:Articles for deletion; the procedure for nominating an article for deletion is spelled out there. bd2412 T 17:46, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I support a standalone article for Peter Parker as portrayed in Raimi's films, though I think there could be a better article title since this can seem like it includes post-Raimi incarnations. When it comes to writing this kind of content in various scopes, there will always be some kind of redundancy. This kind of scope allows for a focus on character-centric content, putting aside production and reception details that are not directly pertinent to the character. Doing a search engine test, it appears that the book Make Ours Marvel: Media Convergence and a Comics Universe has a chapter called "Playing Peter Parker" that is devoted to Peter Parker in films (though not just Maguire). Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 17:54, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- @ReaderofthePack and Erik:: A deletion discussion on this subject has been initiated at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Parker (Spider-Man film series). bd2412 T 19:11, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 30 March 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved — Amakuru (talk) 09:52, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Parker (Spider-Man film series) → Spider-Man (Sam Raimi film series) – As discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Parker (Spider-Man film series), there is material here that goes somewhat beyond the description of Peter Parker as a character, and since the character is the central topic of the film series, and this version of the character appears in no other films, and the series is itself independently notable, this article might be best served by being converted to an article on the film series as a whole. bd2412 T 23:41, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Peter Parker (Spider-Man Trilogy) - I disagree and oppose changing this characterization article into one about the series as a whole. Doing so makes too much a fundamental change to the original focus of this topic, which is one I think deserves stand-alone status and would have to be re-split anyway in the future. I would support creation of an article for the Raimi series "Spider-Man Trilogy" - the WP:COMMONNAME for that series based on how home video, streaming, and other sources refer to those films. -- Netoholic @ 00:18, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Is it actually called the "Spider-Man Trilogy"? bd2412 T 03:19, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support move and rename. I believe that the AFD was closed prematurely by non-admin (who concluded 'keep') with no clear consensus. Nonetheless, I feel that a move is required and both Spider-Man (Sam Raimi film series) and Spider-Man Trilogy seems much better to me, although I am leaning towards the latter to focus more on the series than the character itself. As I've explained in the AFD, the subject of this stand-alone page is ambiguous and confusing and Peter Parker/Spider-Man in Sam Raimi's film character is not notable to my eyes and would be an afterthought of the film trilogy page. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 09:18, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I have a specific concern about naming this "Spider-Man Trilogy", which is that Marvel has a six-picture deal with Tom Holland to portray the character, meaning that within the next few years there is very likely to be another "Spider-Man Trilogy" as part of the MCU films. So far Holland has been in three MCU films, including one for which Spider-Man was the title character, with another releasing this year. Bear in mind that there have only been three films each for which Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor, respectively, are the title characters, and each of these could also be referred to as a "trilogy", distinguished only by the fact that these iterations of the characters have appeared in other MCU films. bd2412 T 15:55, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - Fair enough. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 21:08, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I'm not sure a RM is the correct procedural here. What you are asking is to change the scope of the article by changing its title. If the scope is to be changed, that should be discussed before starting a RM. As such, I'm leaning oppose here. --Gonnym (talk) 11:00, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I am baffled by the fact that Miles Morales exists whereas Peter Parker doesn't. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 14:29, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why is that? Spider-Man is the article for Peter Parker. Is it not? Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 14:43, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Parker is a much more established alter-ego and is only redirected to Spider-Man, weheras Miles Morales has it's own page. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 15:45, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Are you saying that the alter-ego should have his own page? Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 17:52, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am not asking for anything (I prefer not anyway). I am just saying it's surprising that Miles Morales has his own article whereas Peter Parker doesn't. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 21:06, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That’s because Spider-Man is his article (I always at least thought it that way). Miles Morales is just an alternate version. Like Spider-Man 2099 for instance. He was never THE Spider-Man. We both can agree on that I would think. I thought Wikipedia made that clear. A few editors did request name change of Spider-Man to Spider-Man (Peter Parker). But there was too many opposes on that. Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 21:14, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom and am a little confused by some of the above comments. The article is already about the character from the three Sam Raimi films so this is not in fact changing the scope of the article, but rather changing the title to fit the content of the article. PC78 (talk) 22:33, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@PC78: - This request does propose to change the subject of this article from one about the character (his portrayal, story arc, accolades for the actor, etc. ) to one about the movie trilogy (making it about the production, entire plot, accolades for the films overall, etc.). So a Support vote means you are in favor of radically changing the focus of the current article. -- Netoholic @ 02:07, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, perhaps. But that's out of scope for a move request so I'm only really thinking about the title and how it relates to the current article content. I was thinking of the Spider-Man character rather than the films as a whole; perhaps Peter Parker (Sam Raimi film series) would be a better, less ambiguous title? PC78 (talk) 10:54, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

support: But I would be more comfortable with Peter Parker (Toby Maguire character) or some variant of that. This Parker is more commonly referred to as Maguire's Peter Parker. I dont think this would affect the content of the article like Netoholic explains above. —usernamekiran(talk) 15:46, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- That would be a stretch. Correct me if I am wrong, but I have never seen an article like that and sounds fanPOV to me. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 15:49, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Much as I'd like to remain uninvolved and see how this turns out, I feel compelled to comment. This whole constellation of articles is an impenetrable mess to anyone not already familiar with the subject (and perhaps even then... I have a few of the early comics, bought new). This proposal is at least a step in the right direction. Andrewa (talk) 22:01, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

This new name is super confusing.

It should be following how most other media versions of character use, such as Tony Stark (Marvel Cinematic Universe). When I first clicked the link I assumed it was about the film series named Spider-Man, not the character.★Trekker (talk) 06:53, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So is anyone going to comment? Because this current name is confusing as I said.★Trekker (talk) 21:15, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What name do you purpose? Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 02:02, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Parker (Sam Raimi film series), Peter Parker (Sam Raimi trilogy), Peter Parker (2002 Spider-Man film series) or Peter Parker (Spider-Man trilogy).★Trekker (talk) 22:06, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It was originally the first one you posted but consensus was to change it. Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 22:10, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Spider-Man (Tobey Maguire portrayal)?. Enjoyer of World (talk) 23:42, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would be ok with that, but I have a feeling others might disagree.★Trekker (talk) 11:54, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That was clearly an odd rather poor choice. This new title is just confusing and not in line with how all the other superhero characters are done on Wikipedia.★Trekker (talk) 11:54, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Adapted by parameter

@Favorieguy2000: The argument you provided had already been refuted by me, but I'm not going to revert you further and start an edit war until we've discussed it properly here. If we look at other articles on film versions of comic book characters that existed before this article, we see that they list only the writers of the first film they appeared in on the |Adapted by= parameter. See as examples: Tony Stark, first film Iron Man written by Mark Fergus, Hawk Ostby, Art Marcum, and Matt Holloway; Steve Rogers, first film Captain America: The First Avenger written by Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely; Thor, first film Thor written by Ashley Miller, Zack Stentz, Don Payne, J. Michael Straczynski, and Mark Protosevich; and lastly Peter Parker, first film Captain America: Civil War written by Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely. See that none of these include the director or the first film, or any of the writers of subsequent films in which the characters have appeared. Now, you have to provide an argument for why all of these examples are in fact wrong and should be changed, in which case we would need to expand this discussion, or an argument for why we should treat this article differently from all of these examples I just gave. El Millo (talk) 21:07, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Friend or Foe

@Facu-el Millo: Weeks ago, you said you were happy to discuss whether Friend or Foe should be considered the last appearance for this adaptation of Spider-Man. Now yes - the tie-in movie games part of the marketing for all three movies; and shouldn’t count. Friend or Foe however was a separate entry in the video game franchise. It came out months after SM3 and wasn’t tied to any of the movies. Now I know it’s only a video game and that most people who watched the movies would have never heard of it. But technically its the last we seen of this rendition of Spider-Man. Looking forward to hearing your opinion. The Optimistic One (talk) 22:32, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think the appearances should be the actual relevant ones, not the ones that were technically their last appearances. I think it is an issue of due and undue weight, and this is a film character, whose notable appearances are in the films. According to the lead of the article on the video game, The game borrows characters and designs from Sam Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy, with a plot that is non-canon to the films. That doesn't seem like an appearance that's notable for inclusion as the last appearance of the character in the infobox. —El Millo (talk) 22:39, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

mention of no way home

I think it is bad to have a mention of no way home such easily visible on this page. i tried to look up this film series the day before i saw no way home and the fact that it said he reprised his role made me upset because i was hoping to avoid confirmation of this. i think any mention of no way home should be in a drop down menu, at least for a while. HuffGLaDTem (talk) 21:46, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:SPOILER, and looking up anything related to this just before going to see the film is obviously risky. —El Millo (talk) 21:56, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Film and Television Meme

Shouldn’t Tobey Maguire’s take on the character have his internet memes be referenced in the article, especially with stuff like Pizza Time (from the Spider-Man 2 video game), ‘my back’ being referenced in No Way Home, and his changed persona in Spider-Man 3? Internet Informant (talk) 17:15, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Peter Parker (2002 film)" listed at Redirects for discussion

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"Spider-Man (Raimi-Verse)" listed at Redirects for discussion

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