Talk:Pete Palmer

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Palmer's influence

A recent edit removed adjectives describing Palmer's prominence in the development of sabermetrics, citing POV. I attempted to re-word the text to communicate that prominence accurately, but do so based on empirically derived evidence rather than "I just threw in some big adjectives." If you Google "Hidden Game of Baseball" you see many sites where people refer to that book and the James abstracts as kick-starting their interest, study or thinking about baseball sabermetrics. When I have more time I could go build a links list to support this, but 5 minutes of research should satisy skeptics that this view is widely held, not just editor POV. If you see a step I missed and should take please let me know. Coll7 01:26, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. The article is a lot better now. I'm still not entirely happy with "is often referred to" ... I agree that we should put some external links to those Google results. ~~I'll have a go.~~ --DogsBreakfast 09:15, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Origins

Baseball: An Economic Science Perspective suggests that the work in the Hidden Gam ... is based on "several publications in operations research journals by George Lindsey and Richard Bellman, among others" --DogsBreakfast 09:19, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have to go look at my copy. My dim memory is that Palmer and Thorn cite some articles like that in the book, so the inspiration is credited. But I'll double check. Coll7 09:33, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks. I wasn't suggesting that it was uncredited, but rather thinking that it might be useful extra info to put into the article. --DogsBreakfast 10:10, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Always good to double check in any case! Thanks for your encyclopedic focus -- it's good for wikipedia. Coll7 01:27, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just to follow up on this thread, while HGOB does put forward Palmer's new analytical theories, a substantial part of the book is a review of all of the analytical work that preceded it. Anson2995 15:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]