Talk:Persistence hunting/Archive 1

Archive 1

October 2022

The page has been completely re-written.

Previous discussions on this talk page are obsolete orphans. IsaacGouy (talk) 00:24, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@IsaacGouy: I will archive this page in due course although I'll leave it for a while so you can find this comment. Talk pages are never obsolete because they contain information relevant to what is in the history of the article. Even if the previous version was junk, comments about the old text, even if totally misguided, are kept as a record of what happened. I suppose you put your comment at the top to alert people about what follows, but just to be totally sure I will say that normally the + tab at the top of this page should be used to put new sections at the bottom. Johnuniq (talk) 06:45, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes I would normally bottom-post but in this case I'm not adding a new discussion. IsaacGouy (talk) 16:49, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

2007

Not exactly sure what "before spears" means in the context of this article... Some form of spears have probably been used since long before modern humans evolved. AnonMoos 01:05, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

From context it looks like it means thrown spears (as opposed to just stabbing the animal with a sharp stick) --Random832 (contribs) 17:16, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

We have no way of telling whether a stick was thrown or stabbed or even used. This is mere speculation. Kortoso (talk) 17:34, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Malware

My virusscanner sais that the external site link under "Evolutionary adaptations of humans for long-distance running" (barista.media2.org) is untrustworty. Can anyone cofirm this and if so remove the link? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.240.124.79 (talk) 00:36, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I removed the external link (and refactored your message to remove the link) per WP:EL because http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=barista.media2.org shows recent malware. Johnuniq (talk) 02:45, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Alternate POV

[1]

"I find the idea – that this behavior led to some specialized human evolution as distance runners – to be preposterous on several levels. First, much of the fossil record suggests early humans were scavengers and lived pretty well off road kill until they started employing weapons a few hundred thousand years ago. No real need to run long distances when you can walk, hide, climb, sprint and crawl to scavenge. Secondly, it’s one thing to track and stalk an animal (using your superior intelligence) with walking, occasional jogging and a few sprints here and there. That’s a primarily fat-burning pursuit and it’s probably how our ancestors actually hunted. But once you have to shift into glucose/glycogen mode to run aggressively for long distances, it’s a whole different ballgame and you encounter a big problem. Run out of glycogen chasing a beast too long in the heat and you become exhausted yourself. If you are lucky enough to bag the beast, at least you get to eat now (albeit mostly protein and fats which won’t completely restore your glycogen reserves). But fail in your mission and your sorry, fatigued, glycogen-depleted butt is now vulnerable to becoming some other beast’s dinner. ER makes no sense to me from an evolutionary perspective."

At any rate, proponents of the PH theory ignore the many different ways of hunting that vary by prey, terrain and culture.

Kortoso (talk) 17:55, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Until he publishes in a peer-reviewed journal, it's not worth citing. HCA (talk) 15:52, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

[2] [3]

Henry Bunn, a paleoanthropologist from the University of Wisconsin-Madison, refutes the PH theory. The above citations link to a paper published in 2007, and an article about Bunn. Jetforme (talk) 12:17 06 September 2021 (UTC)

Lungless Spiders do PH?

The article makes the claim that lungless spiders do persistence hunting. There is no citation, further explanation anywhere in the article and i cant find any sources on Google either that aren't direct copies of this article. I find it debatable whether a spider could even fit the definition of PH "running, walking,[1] and tracking to pursue prey until it is exhausted.". Spiders obviously cant run or walk, but i guess we just use a different word for their movement. Spiders cant track in the traditional sense, are they smart enough to see tracks, do tiny insects leave any tracks or smell? What is it hunting that gets exhausted? If anything a persistence hunt between insects would be very different from a PH between for example mammals, so it should be explained why it still fits the definition. But there is no such explanation. And there are no sources.

To many commas.

Scisne (talk) 09:20, 31 August 2018 (UTC)