Talk:Permanent signal

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Proposed merge of howler tone into permanent signal

User:Jim.henderson has proposed that howler tone be merged into permanent signal.

I don't know enough about the subject, but I do note that permanent signal notes that it is US telephony jargon (which might explain why I haven't heard this term before, being Europe-based). The term howler tone is however not US-specific. Provided this can be cleared up I have no objections to the proposed merge. JanCeuleers 16:33, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Decades ago when PS were a major nuisance, I dealt with them in ways outlined in the article. My own background is Bell System, whose jargon is familiar to me. I take it the British jargon is "permanent loop" and perhaps this is used in other countries. I can think of historical or linguistic arguments for either term. In any case, just as the howler disambiguator now has a link to howler tone so any merged or renamed article will have several relevant terms and synonyms listed in the article for a search to find, as well as redirects from any killed articles to living ones.

I see that the Telephony and Telecommunications categories have a great many stub articles on topics not obviously valuable enough to expand. Howler tone is only the first I'd like to merge and kill, each with a notice of course, and due consideration of all suggestions. Jim.henderson 00:21, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don't Merge – The point was raised in a discussion to merge off-hook tone with permanent signal (which is still open at the time of this writing, by the way. Your discussion is welcome there.) that permanent signal can refer to trunk signaling, railroad applications and more. Permanent signal is not exclusive to the local telephone loop and putting howler tone in there would make the article less focused. If you are to merge Howler Tone with anything, merge it with Off-Hook Tone. Kringga (talk) 16:55, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Correction: Howler tone redirects to off-hook tone. Disregard the last sentence of my don't merge argument. Kringga (talk) 16:57, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good, I do agree that it is better kept separate. I will remove the merge notice with some article improvements at some point. It is probably unlikely in any case to get many replies. I will see what I can do to improve this article. Permanent signal treatment involves more than just playing ROH tone, if it is even sent at all; I think some exchanges used to send High Tone. Kbrose (talk) 20:27, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, there should be an explanation as to what "Wetlist" and/or "High and Wet List" means. Waterthatisdry (talk) 13:14, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]