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I'd like to add an external link to a website that is about Pembina, but not exclusively. It is about Pembina, ND and St. Vincent, MN (and refers to a few other surrounding small towns periodically) because they have been linked ever since the earliest settlement of the area over 200 years ago. The website is here - Would this be acceptable? Trishymouse 22:16, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Trish, generally, linking to blogs from a Wikipedia article is frowned upon. However, it looks like this blog isn't an opinion piece, but more of a history lesson. Because of that, I think it should be ok. I'll put it in right now. It would probably look better for me to put it in instead of you (the author of the blog). --Matth e wUND^(talk) 23:47, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I personally wouldn't have an issue, but adding a link to your own blog may skirt the limits of WP:COI. If you know of any other sites related to the Pembina area, put those up too. --AlexWCovington (talk) 16:58, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

History of Pembina

I see that the primary guardians of this article religiously guard against any factual information about Pembina history getting into the text. But for its very colorful history as a crossing place between the United States and British Canada (and as the focus of the Red River Colony and/or the Selkirk Colony which at one time extended into the portion of the Red River Valley that is now in the United States), Pembina would not even exist. I am not going to get involved in a debate about the "wiki principles" concerning this--the decision to ignore history is a conscious choice that essentially makes this article worthless as a resource for anyone who might chance to check Wikipedia in hopes of finding something that is actually useful to know about the town. Elcajonfarms 19:51, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On the other hand, no doubt it is important to know that LaMoure Memorial Golf Club - a nine-hole golf course located four blocks south of City Park in Pembina. It measures 2,446 yards from the back tees. Best regards. Elcajonfarms 19:54, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments. Certainly this article is in need of a history section. Pembina has a rich history and we should elaborate on it here. However, the material you added to the article was mainly taken from an external website. Wikipedia articles should not contain text copied from other websites. On the edit page of any article, it specifically states: "Do not copy text from other websites without permission. It will be deleted." In other words, it would be fine if you made the effort to reword this material in your own words, but it is unacceptable to copy material from another website and paste it here. That amounts to copyright infringement and Wikipedia can not condone that kind of thing. I encourage you to contribute to the article, but anything you add must be your own work and must be in your own words. --MatthewUND^(talk) 22:48, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really have time to do the topic justice, but as you can see from several comments and questions from Moncrief, there are a lot of misconceptions out there that would be disspelled by an historical sketch concerning the fairly unique (for Minnesota/North Dakota prairie communities) history of Pembina. E.g. it is true that much of the surrounding area was not settled until the 1880s, but Pembina was settled much earlier, and was an important international entrepot for at least 50 or 60 years before the railroad reached Fargo. It is also a common American misconception that the winning of the West started with Lewis & Clark in 1803-1805, when in fact theirs was one of the later transcontinental explorations, and Hudson's Bay Company and Northwest Company trading parties had traversed the area for over a hundred years before. So I hope someone will start a more serious effort to recount the history of Pembina sooner rather than later. 65.115.67.135 22:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, I agree that this article needs a history section. You are more than welcome to add historical material to this article. Just remember that any text added to a Wikipedia article must be in your own words. In other words, we shouldn't be able to find a verbatim copy of your text anywhere else on the Internet. I encourage you to work on adding historical information to this article. --MatthewUND^(talk) 08:19, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe I'm overreacting, but hearing "you are more than welcome" to do something from a Wikipedia editor always gives me the willies. MatthewUND, you are not the guardian of this article or the arbiter of what should be in it. This is a collaborative process, and obviously any editor is, in good faith, more than welcome to edit any article at all. When editors feel the need to point this out, it makes me wonder why they think they have any more right to grant permission than the editor they're addressing, when free editing permission is already granted by virtue of the construct of this site. Moncrief 16:41, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, I'm not sure what about my above comments would give you "the willies." Of course I am not "the guardian" of this article. In fact, I have done very little work on this article in the past. I have two thousand North Dakota-related articles on my watchlist so I keep track of changes to all of these articles. The above IP address editor expressed a desire to add historical content to this article so I was encouraging him to do so. I have encountered many new editors who didn't dare to or didn't think they had the right to add material to articles. I think it is important to point out to new users that they are encouraged to contribute to articles. That's clearly all I was doing. It is also important to remind editors (new and not-so-new) that material may not be copied verbatim from other websites and pasted to a Wikipedia article. That has recently been done in this article, so it is important to discourage that. --MatthewUND^(talk) 23:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Metis

I am from the Turtle Mountain Indian Reservation would like to see more Native American content in anything Pembina related. I am having a hard time finding documentation to support tribal lore, besides the old crossing treaty. The land of Pembina was owned by the present day Turtle Mountain Band of Indians. A flood caused the tribe to move west one hundred miles. The tribe planted crops and stayed at this location for one year. The following year the tribe moved back to find European homesteaders with deeds issued from the State of North Dakota. This land was bought by homesteader for over one dollar an acre, and Native American were given ten cents an acre. The land in question was a one hundred mile swath of land from Pembina to Fargo (the Cheyenne River). The tribe accepted the ten cent treaty (old crossing treaty), and was moved to and founded the town of Walhalla; which was named by a priest who traveled with the people. The Walhalla land was taken by the state and the people were moved to present day Belcourt, North Dakota. The Turtle Mountain Indian Reservation is a 6 mile x 12 mile tract of land. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.16.96.44 (talk) 16:17, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Questionable edit

In the subsection "Fort Pembina trading posts" content states "In the same year David Thompson (explorer) determined that Pembina was south of the 49th parallel.". I somehow missed this in the article about him and in references and can not imagine why it would be significant prior to 1818. Otr500 (talk) 15:41, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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City status

I am curious as to when Pembina achieved city status and how it's able to maintain it with only about 500 population. The article doesn't address this (for comparison, Saskatchewan requires a place to maintain a population of 5,000 to be a city, though at present one city, Melville, has dipped closer to 4,000 population; still we're talking close to 10 times the population of Pembina). 136.159.160.5 (talk) 20:25, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I don’t know the rules. But North Dakota may have different rules for city status from Saskatchewan.PAper GOL (talk) 07:46, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]