Talk:Pekin Bantam

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Pekin bantam, or Cochin bantam

Strange enough, but this edit was the only one done by an unknown user Chickenwoman. She made it without any discussion. There is still a firm ground to believe that the previous editors of the article were not wrong stating that Pekin bantam=Cochin bantam. This is what the literature on chicken breeds says (e.g., [1], [2], [3], ) and what can be found in the article Cochin (chicken) and on the Internet (e.g., [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9]). I used to know a prominent Australian Pekin breeder Bill Plant (btw, quoted in this book), and this is what he wrote to a friend of ours Dr. Elio Corti: "For many years I had been researching information on first of all the Pekin (Cochin) Bantam [10]." So, I would like to return the double name of this breed. --Michael Romanov (talk) 01:30, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

There is separate Cochin article for a reason. While they are often confused, it is accepted in both North America and Europe (or at least the U.K., since we're dealing with English language sources here) that Pekins have always been a separate breed than Cochins. Your book sources the ones from Google) are all very old, and not up to date with current breed knowledge. In many countries, Pekins are called "Cochin bantams", and are thus thought to just be the bantam version of the Cochin large fowl. But they a separate true bantam, in fact. Sources that agree with this view include, but are not limited to:

• Ekarius, Carol (2007). Storey's Illustrated Guide to Poultry Breeds. 210 MAS MoCA Way, North Adams MA 01247: Storey Publishing. ISBN 978-1-58017-667-5.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: location (link)

• Graham, Chris (2006). Choosing and Keeping Chickens. 2-4 Heron Quays London E14 4JP: Octopus Publishing. ISBN 9780793806010.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: location (link)

• Heinricks, Christine (2007). How To Raise Chickens. Suite 200, 380 Jackson St, St Paul MN 55101: Voyageur Press. ISBN 978-0-76-03-2828-6.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: location (link)

• Hobson, Jeremy (2007). Keeping Chickens. 4700 E Galbraith rd, Cincinnati OH 45236: David and Charles Ltd. ISBN 0-7153-2567-1. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)CS1 maint: location (link)

As you can see, this situation is much like the common confusion of Araucanas and Ameraucanas. In Britain, Araucanas may have some of the features of Ameraucanas. They are very similar in some respects, and are often confused. But they are still separate breeds, according to source materials. VanTucky 02:01, 25 June 2008 (UTC)