Talk:Peace Sells... but Who's Buying?/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Dawnseeker2000 (talk · contribs) 00:10, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'll be reviewing this article in the next week or two. Dawnseeker2000 00:10, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I've got a good start on the review, and I expect to have it complete by Sunday. Dawnseeker2000 03:27, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Opening statement

At first look the article seems complete and has a pretty good overall presentation, but there are some (referencing) items that need to be addressed. I've created an outline of the article here with comments that apply to each section. Please do not sign any responses and instead use {{tq}} to create a unique font and color for your responses. You can also use {{done}} or {{not done}} to indicate the status on a particular request or comment.

Only the sections with prose were scrutinized. The final four sections: Track listing, Personnel, Charts, and Accolades were accepted as is.

First question: Is there any material about the sales success/failure of the album? The article is fine without that content, but was curious if you'd stumbled across anything that would support content like that.

Thanks for accepting the review Dawnseeker2000. I don't have a RS on the album sales, but the unofficial number is 636,000 copies in the Nielsen Soundscan era as of May 2008. I found this information on Ukmix; nothing to be taken seriously, just to satisfy your curiosity.

Thanks.

Lead

"Besides the 2004 mixes (too informal) suggest "with the exception of the 2004 mixes"

Done.

Expand a touch on Vic Rattlehead (just saying he's their mascot might suffice) "The album's front cover, featuring the band's mascot Vic Rattlehead, was created..."

Done.

Include preview of the type of political lyrics that Mustaine and bassist were looking to include

Mentioned it as part of the sentence which says that the title track was the lead single and that it featured politically conscious lyrics.

Background and recording

Expand on Gar and Chris being fired, if possible, or remove from lead.

Explained the reason they were fired in the section about the album's promotion. Used Colin Larkin's book as a source.

Release and promotion

It might make it more complete if we also mention that Rekpa returned for the cover design of Rust in Peace.

L1A1 FAL re-worded it and now it reads that Repka "would go on to do several other pieces of artwork for the band over the years" because he designed the front cover on the singles "Holy Wars... The Punishment Due" and "Hangar 18", in addition to Rust in Peace.

Thanks.

Songs

Tracks 1–4

This sentence needs to be rewritten: "Devils Island" expresses the thoughts of a prisoner who is about to be executed in the notorious former French penal colony on Devil's Island. In the song, the prisoner's life is spared by God right before he is about to be killed, but he is condemned to spend the rest of his life on the island". It is verbatim copy of the source. Although there is no copyright notice on the website (http://megadeth.rockmetal.art.pl/lyrics_peace.html#Devil) please rewrite this sentence using your own words. It's worth exercising caution here.

L1A1 FAL did this task for me. I think it reads better now.

Thanks L1A1 FAL, looks good.

The line ""Peace Sells" reflects Mustaine's political and social beliefs." is debatable as far as accuracy goes. Does the source says that?

I paraphrased Spin's column. The source is a review of the single and says that Mustaine "complains about the system from a position of a passive fence-sitter..." It also mentions ideology, describing "Peace Sells" as a protest song, Mustaine being a rebel who criticizes the political and economical situation, etc.

Alright, that's a lot to pull out of that small little paragraph, but OK as is.

The last sentence and its reference (#20, by Jon Wiederhorn) do not align. The sentence states that Mustaine converted to Christianity and that the band hadn't played "The Conjuring" live since 2001, and although the web page (http://noisecreep.com/megadeths-dave-mustaine-invites-fans-to-meet-the-real-me/) talks about the song, it doesn't mention Christianity or not having played the song.

Used a report from Atlantic City Insiders, where the journalist wrote that "there is one track — "The Conjuring" — that no longer jives with Mustaine’s status as a born-again Christian."

We just need to rewrite that sentence "However, due to his conversion to Christianity, the song has not been played live since 2001" to more accurately reflect what the new Atlantic City Insiders source says, and that will be it.

Rewritten. The sentence now states that "the subject matter is incompatible to his conversion to Christianity", to reflect that the song no longer jives with Mustaine’s status as a born-again Christian.

OK, is there something that covers the last-played date (year)?

I've picked that information from Mustaine's autobiography, which unfortunately I'm not having it with me right now, so I can't cite the accurate page. The year isn't something contentious since setlist.fm suggest November 17, 2001 as the last live performance of the track. Mustaine became Christian in 2003, so the year of 2001 makes sense if we know that Megadeth disbanded in 2002. link

Got it, thanks!

Tracks 5–8

Suggest adding a link to serial killer

Done.

The line "With an excessive use of gory language, the song chronicles the acts of a serial killer" is not supported by its reference (#27)(http://www.megadeth.com/scorpion?page=7)

Replaced it with a book reference.

Thank you.

The next line "It was inspired by Dijon Carruthers, who was briefly the band's drummer prior to the hiring of Gar Samuelson. According to Mustaine, Carruthers was hanging out with people who were practicing occultism, and they inspired him to write songs based on spiritual themes" is only partially supported by the ref. There's no mention of Carruthers associating with anyone practicing occultism on that web page (#26)(http://www.metalsludge.tv/?p=28520)

Added another cite from Ellefson's book which confirms this information.

Thanks.

Critical reception

Contemporary reviews

Reference #38 is broken (http://www.kerrang.com/wheretostartwith/artists/megadeth)

I couldn't manage to find the link to the page, but I'm 100% sure I've read it there. I assume that Kerrang had moved or omitted the guide to Megadeth's discography. Should I drop the url or leave it this way?

It's not an extraordinary claim so just leave it as is. I don't want to remove any material simply because a link is dead, but on that note, the article will benefit from more of the book sources. That should be something to work on down the road because it'll help eliminate link rot (and books would be preferable over some of these websites anyway).

Legacy

No comment here, except to say that it looks good.

Reissues

Looks fine

Dawnseeker2000, I think I've addressed all of your concerns. Appreciate your time doing this review.--Retrohead (talk) 20:14, 4 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]