Talk:Payton Jordan

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Criticism removal

trackinfo (talk · contribs) commented out a large section which upon checking seems fully justified to delete. I checked the sole source, http://www.gostanford.com/sports/c-track/spec-rel/031605aac.html, through the wayback machine and it is purely an announcement of a book signing and day honoring Payton Jordan at Stanford. The commented out section should probably be deleted. There does seem to be some issue with his politics as indicated by a letter to the Stanford Alumni Magazine (Coe, Robert. "Letter: Remembering the Coach". Stanford Magaznine. Stanford University. Retrieved 9 September 2018.) which means there may be some reliable source for some of the paragraph, but, someone needs to track them down. The letter writer, Robert Coe, did write a book, Jock: A Memoir of the Counterculture, on his time as a Stanford long distance runner under Jordan but it seems to be self-published so not within the usual reliable source standard for Wikipedia (it has received a moderate amount of good online reviews even from people who admitted to political differences with Coe [though sharing a love of running]). Another letter indicates that some research into Jordan and when Stanford started having women on the track and field team. --Erp (talk) 14:22, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm embarrassed, that content was added by an IP almost 10 years ago (December 5, 2008) and I never noticed it before even though I have made multiple contributions to this article. Trackinfo (talk) 14:31, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

One reason people need to be careful when using Wikipedia as a source :-). I did some work on expanding the references but a few look dead. There is some info at

"Legacy of a Champion". Stanford Magazine (May/June). 2005.
"The Coach". Stanford Magazine (May/June). 2009.

Jordan also made the 19 June 1039 cover of Life Magazine (https://2neat.com/magazine/product/life-magazine-june-19-1939-runner-payton-jordan/) --Erp (talk) 23:47, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]