Talk:Paul Goldschmidt/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Gonzo fan2007 (talk · contribs) 22:29, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

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Early life and amateur career

Professional career

Personal life

Per WP:BLPNAME, consider removing the name of his wife.
- She's not a minor, and she has been publicly active in her charity works, so I think it's appropriate to include her name. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:28, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"he has Jewish as well as European ancestry" - this could be more simply stated using "and" instead of "as well as".
- Done. Plus clarified it's German, since Europe is a big place. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:28, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"His charity has hosted bowling events, where funds are raised for Phoenix Children's Hospital." - instead of ", where funds are raised" try "to raise funds". « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 13:47, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I went with "which raises funds for". – Muboshgu (talk) 19:28, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Images

File:Paul Goldschmidt in st.louis 2017.jpg looks good with source and licensing.
File:Paul Goldschmidt.JPG looks good.
File:D-backs first baseman Paul Goldschmidt takes batting practice on Gatorade All-Star Workout Day. (28042717673).jpg looks good.
Have you checked out commons:Category:Paul Goldschmidt? A photo of him playing defense would be beneficial for the article.
- The infobox photo seems to be the best available "defense" photo (he's in the field with a glove). Otherwise, it would be File:MG 7008 Paul Goldschmidt.jpg. I'm considering changing around some photos, possibly going with four (including the infobox image). – Muboshgu (talk) 19:33, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Curious to what you think of using File:D-backs first baseman Paul Goldschmidt talks to reporters at 2016 All-Star Game availability. (28436538841).jpg for his profile pic. It is higher quality than the current image, is better focused on his face, and doesn't convey an outdated status (i.e. is team neutral). What do you think?

I think having the picture represent the player's current team for active players (where possible) is a positive as it provides visual information in the infobox that is current and relevant. Since he just signed his extension with the Cardinals he'll be there for a while which seems better than a weird angled photo. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:39, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused at what you are referencing Barkeep49, as the photo in the infobox is from when he is a Diamondback. It is also an extraordinarily low quality and blurry photo. I also disagree that the new photo is a weird angle. It is a high-quality head shot that does a great job of visual identification. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:54, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Gonzo fan2007 Sorry for not responding before. I was saying two different things. First ideally we would get a picture of him as a Cardinal in the infobox. Second even if we don't do that I would be opposed to that headshot. There's a good reason that all of our sample photos at Head shot show the person looking at the camera rather than this 3/4 view (taken at what was a press scrum). Given this I would rather we stay with the current photo than switch to what you've suggested. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:44, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

~~Please add {{Commons category}} to the See also section.~~ « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 13:41, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I prefer keeping it in "External links". There's already the portal links in the "See also" section, it could become too template heavy. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:50, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sorry Muboshgu, I thought the template wasn't in the article at all. Agree that it's current location in Ext Links is good. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:55, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

Possible areas to expand upon

Goldy dominated Tim Lincecum in his career. There's been significant coverage of this topic for many years. I think this definitely needs to be mentioned in the article. [1]
He has another nickname, America's First Baseman. See here. Bears mentioning somewhere, even if just in the lead next to Goldy.
There has been a lot of coverage of Goldy on how he is "underrated" or doesn't get the national attention that similar caliber MLB stars gets. Some reasons include playing in a smaller market, lack of postseeason appearances, his quiet demeanor, etc. I think this should be included somewhere in the article. See here and here for examples.
After the sentence about him being in second place behind Gonzo, it would be good to highlight the categories he is a leader in for the team (OBP, SLG, OPS, etc). See here.
May need a little more discussion on his contract extension. Did it replace the 2019 team option the dbacks exercised? What year is he signed through? Is it fully guaranteed? Ay teamp/player options? Incentives? Don't go crazy but some additional details would be good. It would also be good to add why the diamondbacks traded him (i.e. about to start the last year of his deal, dbacks rebuilding, team finances).
- The article already says it runs from 2020 through 2024. All MLB contracts are fully guaranteed, there are no option years so there's nothing to mention there. Can certainly add the Dbacks rebuild though. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:43, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Possibly some discussion of him being the "face of the franchise" for the diamondbacks in the last few years.
His original five-year deal with the diamondbacks was almost universally deemed a "team-friendly" deal based on his production. May bear mentioning. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:43, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Added that he wouldn't have been eligible for salary arbitration for another two years, and free agency for another three after that. I may find something calling it "team-friendly" to add. But it's sort of opinion, so I'll have to do it carefully. Many players do what Goldschmidt did: trade the potential for a larger payout down the road for a guaranteed payout right then and there. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:52, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

I will review this one over the next few days. Cheers, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:29, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Muboshgu, let me know what you think of some of the items above. If you are going to expand some areas, I will probably hold off on reviewing those sections for now. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 13:33, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look soon. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:49, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Muboshgu, do you have an ETA on when you will begin addressing these comments? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:55, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Sorry I haven't yet. I may have time today, probably by tomorrow. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:20, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to fail this for now as an abandoned review. Note that multiple of my initial comments haven't been addressed. I have no issues with this being renominated after those items have been addressed, as I believe the article is close to meeting the general standards of WP:GA. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:13, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Gonzo fan2007, apologies for failing to follow through. I'm not sure why; I think increased work IRL has decreased my focus for things like GA noms. I'll address the other points before renominating in the future. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:34, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]