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Pinging only other editor since recreation of article @Another Believer:, I nominated this to become a good article nomination. I think I've prepped this article the best I could including making sure there is a reference for almost every single sentence in here. If you think of anything else that could be done here while waiting for a review/reviewer let me know here and I'll see what I can do. TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:08, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

My first concern is sourcing. I don't think Facebook, Online Big Brother, or The Big Brother Forum are considered reliable sources, so I would work to replace these or remove the content they verify. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:36, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Another Believer: Alright I've replaced Online Big Brother and The Big Brother Forum. As for the Facebook the only other site that lists a birthday for him is famous birthdays however it has been determined multiple times that famous birthdays is not a reliable source so I figured a certified Facebook account was better. Also pinging @Reidgreg: if they have any suggestions. TheDoctorWho (talk) 02:06, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

February 2018 copy edit

@Another Believer and TheDoctorWho: Just a couple notes:

The subject is best-known from Big Brother where they are almost-always referred to as "Paul" so would it be better to refer to him in the article as "Paul" or "Abrahamian"? Or alternatively, should he be referred to as "Paul" in the Big Brother section and "Abrahamian" elsewhere? I read through MOS:BIO and I can see a case for "Paul" but I'm still leaning toward the surname and applied that consistently.
This last sentence is a big long and complex and perhaps has too much detail: He was teamed up with former Big Brother contestant Da’Vonne Rodgers and the two played against three other teams featuring Frankie Grande from Big Brother 18; Caleb Reynolds from Big Brother 16, Survivor: Kaôh Rōng, and Survivor: Game Changers; and Kelley Wentworth, Joe Anglim, Woo Hwang and Jeremy Collins from Survivor seasons 29 and 31, 30 and 31, 28 and 31, 29 and 31 respectively. Although I appreciate all the work that went into that linking, perhaps it isn't necessary to note the appearances of all the competitors. Maybe it should just indicate how far they advanced and which team, if any, ultimately defeated them.

Please give me a {{ping}} if you have any questions or comments. Thanks! – Reidgreg (talk) 00:15, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should use his last name, per Wikipedia biography standards. I agree, the detail in the last sentence is unnecessary. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:20, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Another Believer and Reidgreg: I agree to using the last name. Sorry I used the two names inconsistently when writing. As for the sentence we could bring it down to something like "He was teamed up with former Big Brother contestant Da’Vonne Rodgers and the two played against three other teams featuring former Big Brother and Survivor contestants. Abrahamian and Rodgers were the first team to be eliminated."?? TheDoctorWho (talk) 01:45, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not a problem; it's easy to make that mistake with the names when you're following the sources. That last sentence looks good, though I might tweak it a little with the second-last as: On July 9, 2017 Abrahamian appeared on the series premiere of CBS game show Candy Crush, which featured past players of Big Brother and Survivor.[41] He was partnered with former Big Brother contestant Da'Vonne Rodgers; their team was the first eliminated from the game. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:14, 17 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think that sounds good! TheDoctorWho (talk) 16:57, 17 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Improving the Article

Now that the AfD discussion is closed with the result to keep on grounds of notability, we should address other issues. I have removed the unnecessary details to make the BB19 section more concise in addition to what was previously decided as not needed. OfficerAPC (talk) 16:44, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@OfficerAPC: I hope to address some of the issues that were raised at the discussion preferably before a willing editor offers to review the article to become a GA. I've just been busy recently. If you have any ways to fix any of the issues and want to fix them go ahead or if you have any suggestions let me know here and I'll try and find time soon. TheDoctorWho (talk) 01:12, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@TheDoctorWho: You might consider removing the Good article nomination until some of the issues have been resolved. There's no way the article would pass right now, given the tags. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:48, 16 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Another Believer:

Done for now I actually agree with you and for the time being I won't be as active as I usually am until mid to late May, however when I have time I'll still try to fix some of the issues raised. TheDoctorWho (talk) 00:38, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Too many roles

Calling a reality show star a musician and designer is like calling an Olympic games medalist a stamp collector. One of the nice things about hardcover encyclopedias is that they have limited space thereby forcing the writers to cut irrelevant information. I think this philosophy should be adopted with Wikipedia. Although space is unlimited, time to read is not.

Pronouns

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---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:47, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

{Ping|Clerks037}} Please stop changing the pronouns throughout this article. The subject has said they prefer gender neutral pronouns. Continue to change the page and I will be reporting to an admin. Thanks. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:39, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Do NOT change the pronouns. The article’s subject suggests via their Twitter page that they want to have gender neutral pronouns. If you change they/them/their to he/him/his then you could potentially be blocked from editing. Thanks, PedigreeWWEFigz87V2 (talk) 21:11, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you change without the article subject saying otherwise* Thanks, PedigreeWWEFigz87V2 (talk) 21:12, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]