Talk:Patrick Nielsen Hayden

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Peacock terms

Regarding the deletion of "peacock terms," Nielsen Hayden is one of the preeminent editors in science fiction (see Hugo nominations for Best Editor plus his World Fantasy Award for Best Anthology). And Tor wins the LOCUS award for Best Publisher most years.

Yes, I know him. But why not check these things before deleting based purely on sound? Pleasantville 22:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Following the advice given to writers for generations, we try to "show it, don't say it." So rather than saying the subject is "preeminent" we should show his preeminent standing in the community. See "Wikipedia:avoid peacock terms". -Will Beback · † · 22:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mentioning his World Fantasy Award in the first sentence would be a good way of establishing prominence and avoiding peacockery. --Akhilleus (talk) 03:25, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed peacockery. What about section about books he's acquired? Spin, Tooth and Claw/ Farthing, etc. Torie 21:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, Robert Charles Wilson's SPIN was acquired and edited by Teresa Nielsen Hayden. Pnh (talk) 20:31, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Notes from this article's subject

There are several errors in the first, second, and fourth sentences of the "Career" section. I wasn't first active in SF fandom in Toronto, and I wasn't in Toronto in the "early 1970s". I was first active in SF fandom in the Phoenix area in January 1975, and I moved (with my family) to Toronto in June 1975. I was subsequently also active in SF fandom in New York City, East Lansing, San Francisco, and Seattle before moving to New York City in 1984, where I've lived since. Someone other than me should decide, but if I were writing this article, I'd just replace all four sentences with "He was first active in SF fandom while living in the Phoenix area and Toronto in the mid-1970s, and he continued to be active in a number of different North American cities before moving to New York City in 1984 to work professionally in publishing."

Also, I joined Tor Books in 1988, which is not really "the mid-80s."

The latest issue of LOCUS (May 2013) has an interview with Teresa Nielsen Hayden and me which is full of information about our early days in SF fandom and in publishing; it might be usable as a cite for these chronological and geographical details. Pnh (talk) 20:51, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Patrick; I'll see what I can do (I've got a couple of your Seattle-era fanzines I picked u at a Corflu). Wish I thought I'd see you both, next weekend at WisCon! --Orange Mike | Talk 21:30, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment

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==Initial assessment== More than a stub,but too list-y and not enough personal info to be a "B", in my opinion. -- Avi 18:39, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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