Talk:Patrick Hamilton (martyr)

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John Major in St. Andrews Chronology

The John Major Wiki page, and presumably the sources used there, has Major not teaching at St. Andrews until 1533, contradicting this page. I haven't dug into the sources, but for now I simply note the seeming error, and suggest further investigation. Kaufman79 (talk) 21:28, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

/* Return and flight */ Edits of 24 January 2019

Clarification needed

• 1 Name of "David Beaton" is given without introduction. Who is he? Why is he significant? What is his position at this time?

• 2 What reason does "David Beaton" have for "avoiding open violence"? (What evidence is there that violence was threatened?) And why is it relevant to "Hamilton's high connections"?

Exact text is below: David Beaton, avoiding open violence through fear of Hamilton's high connections,[clarification needed] invited him to a conference at St Andrews.

Citation needed

• 1 All but the 1st sentence of the 2nd paragraph of the Return and Flight section needs citations. I made a single notation, but will denote individual citations needed with bold question marks in brackets in the exact text below:

Early in 1527 the attention of James Beaton, Archbishop of St Andrews, was directed to the heretical preaching of the young priest [?], whereupon he ordered that Hamilton should be formally tried.[?] Hamilton fled to Germany, enrolling himself as a student, under Franz Lambert of Avignon, in the new University of Marburg, opened on 30 May 1527 by Philip of Hesse.[?] Among those he met there was Hermann von dem Busche, one of the contributors to the Epistolæ Obscurorum Virorum.[citation needed]

• 2 The portion at the beginning of the final sentence of the 3rd paragraph, concerning Hamilton's "prediction," requires a citation at the very least. It comes across as a pious adulation of an idealized hero. In addition, I added quotation marks to the prediction to remove the implication that the claim is that of the author of the article. If Hamilton did not, in fact, say this, then the "prediction" should be removed from the article as being a biased glorification presenting Hamilton in an admirable light, which is opinion, not fact. This is the text in question:

The reformer, predicting that he was going to "confirm the pious in the true doctrine" by his death,[citation needed] accepted the invitation,

• 3 In the portion at the end of the final sentence of the 3rd paragraph, a citation is needed to show Who "allowed" Hamilton "to preach and dispute," and confirming that "a month was allowed." It should also be clarified as to where he preached and disputed, and who he disputed with. The exact text follows:

and for nearly a month was allowed to preach and dispute.[citation needed]

• 4 I did not make changes to this following portion of the 3rd paragraph, but it should have citations:

Late in the autumn of 1527 Hamilton returned to Scotland, living up to his convictions. He went first to his brother's house at Kincavel, near Linlithgow, where he preached frequently, and soon afterwards he married a young lady of noble rank; her name is unrecorded.

Removed items

• 1 In the section that discusses Hamilton's time at the University of Marburg, in the sentence that begins, "Among those he met there...," I removed "and probably William Tyndale," because it is a non sequitur here, seeming to be nothing more than name-dropping. (Note: Had I not removed Tyndale's name, I would have questioned the description of him as "a translator of the Bible," since the Wikipedia article discussing Tyndale notes that his translation work was very loose, to the point of being inaccurate. There is evidence that it introduced previously unknown theology which is not held by any mainline Protestant religion today, but more importantly for historical purposes is the matter of inaccuracy resulting from a methodology of very free translation that rewrote many Scripture passages).

• 2 I removed a conjectural statement from the end of the final sentence. Originally the sentence offered conjecture that the reason Hamilton was allowed to preach and dispute for nearly a month was perhaps to gather evidence for trial (paraphrased). This is purely conjectural, and lacks support in the article. We could offer a number of conjectural possibilities for the reason Hamilton was allowed to preach and dispute for nearly a month, but they should be supported with evidence that clearly suggest reasons for the conjecture.

KiAnCaFleur (talk) 00:26, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Bibliography, sources, citations

This article has 13 footnotes, a list of books with little or no bibliographic detail called a bibliography, and a longer list of books and sources. Perhaps all this could be merged and the works not cited in the article weeded out?Unoquha (talk) 15:51, 8 July 2020 (UTC)