Talk:Paterson (poem)
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[edit]Jonyungk, please be so kind, in light of this comment, to click on this here link and then tell me if you stand by the edit summary, that the source doesn't mention Eliot. And in the edit before you said "while sourced, was not backed up by citations"--which strikes me as very contradictory. But have it your way. I improved the article some, and I get nothing from you but reverts and incorrect (to look at it positively) edit summaries. Have it your way: enjoy your article. 66.168.253.87 (talk) 01:58, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
- The link for your citation landed on page 110 of Cambridge, which did not back up the point you mentioned or cite Eliot. The point you brought up actually begins before that point—hence, I missed it, an honest mistake. Even so, this is the only source I have seen so far that mentions Williams writing Paterson as an answer to The Waste Land. The sources I had seen in the past and most recently the Mariani biography have mentioned Pound's The Cantos, Hart Crane's The Bridge and Joyce's Ulysses as either influences or catalysts but not Eliot. If I come across another source that coincides with the assertion in Cambridge, I'll be glad to put it back in. Until then, I'll remain skeptical but open-minded. (I did rework the lede to reflect what I read in Cambridge, which should show I'm reasonably open and which was backed up by Mariani.) By the way, this is not my article; I only recently started work on it but I've worked on several others and brought them to GA and FA standards. As much as I might appreciate help in expanding this article, considering the recent edit history and your tone here, I think you might have made the best decision to work elsewhere.Jonyungk (talk) 04:33, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
- An honest mistake, sure--but your tone left something to be desired too. Anyway, Margaret Lloyd mentions it too, as does a certain Joel Connaroe, cited Lawrence Buell, and here it is on p. 71 of a Harold Bloom-edited book. I thought I'd leave you with those before I go elsewhere. Happy editing. 66.168.253.87 (talk) 04:21, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- This is getting to be like what they tell you in seminary about marital counseling: that there are three sides to each controversy: his side, her side and the right side. I think mistakes were made on both sides and I apologize for my share of them. Everyone's human and we all make them sooner or later, whether in approach, tone or whatever. I appreciate your bringing these sources to light and wish it had been done in a rational discussion instead of what seems like shouting back and forth. Between them and what I've searched out the last couple of days myself, I don't know whether Paterson could really be called a direct response to The Waste Land but its impact on shaping Williams' poem (and actually Williams's poetry on the whole) is both fairly clear and worth addressing. I had already come to that conclusion shortly before reading your response but that and your sources pretty much cinches it. One suggestion, though. If you're going to keep editing on Wiki, you might want to become a registered user. Many times, when an editor sees only a set of numbers instead of a user name, it's usually accompanied by vandalism or something similar. If you're really serious about editing here (and I suspect you are), why not go ahead and get a user name?Jonyungk (talk) 13:21, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- It's all good, Jonyungk. Thank you for making this article better; it's an important poem and deserves the attention of some dedicated editors. 66.168.253.87 (talk) 22:17, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- This is getting to be like what they tell you in seminary about marital counseling: that there are three sides to each controversy: his side, her side and the right side. I think mistakes were made on both sides and I apologize for my share of them. Everyone's human and we all make them sooner or later, whether in approach, tone or whatever. I appreciate your bringing these sources to light and wish it had been done in a rational discussion instead of what seems like shouting back and forth. Between them and what I've searched out the last couple of days myself, I don't know whether Paterson could really be called a direct response to The Waste Land but its impact on shaping Williams' poem (and actually Williams's poetry on the whole) is both fairly clear and worth addressing. I had already come to that conclusion shortly before reading your response but that and your sources pretty much cinches it. One suggestion, though. If you're going to keep editing on Wiki, you might want to become a registered user. Many times, when an editor sees only a set of numbers instead of a user name, it's usually accompanied by vandalism or something similar. If you're really serious about editing here (and I suspect you are), why not go ahead and get a user name?Jonyungk (talk) 13:21, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- An honest mistake, sure--but your tone left something to be desired too. Anyway, Margaret Lloyd mentions it too, as does a certain Joel Connaroe, cited Lawrence Buell, and here it is on p. 71 of a Harold Bloom-edited book. I thought I'd leave you with those before I go elsewhere. Happy editing. 66.168.253.87 (talk) 04:21, 27 October 2015 (UTC)