Talk:Pat Malone

GA Review

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Reviewer: Usernameunique (talk · contribs) 07:06, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Early life

• Loathing the name "Perce," Malone insisted on being called "Pat" instead. — Any word on when this started?
  • I think it was early in his life (hence its inclusion in this section), but the source's didn't specify. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
• Lying about his age — To the team, the Army, or both?
• Returning to Altoona after his military service — When? Any details of his service?
  • I said he served a year in the Army. He returned after this year. All details of his service given. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
• Did he also attend Juniata College?
  • The source's wording is "and had a short stint as a football player at Juniata College in Huntingdon, Pennsylvania". I would assume he attended it, but I think phrasing it this way is more consistent with the source. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Minor League career

• The Giants agreed — Why did they relent?
  • Source doesn't say. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
• How many games did he start per season?
  • Several categories of early minor league stats are unavailable, and this is one of them. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
• repeated curfew violations — Any more details on what he was up late doing?
• Were the Beaumont Exporters in the same farm system as the Minneapolis Millers?
  • Back in the 1920s, minor league classifications were not what they are today. Baseball-Reference does not list these teams as being part of any system back then. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
• How did he land with the Shreveport Sports? Trade? Expired contract followed by a new contract?
  • The source does not say. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
• Also making four appearances for Minneapolis — And how did he make it back there?
  • The source does not say. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
• In general, I'm confused about how Malone was jumping between teams, be it promotions, demotions, new contracts, or what else.
  • It may be confusing, but the sources don't give information on all these transactions. The most important things are that he played with the teams, and how he did with them--this is given. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
• The deal was for $25,000 total — To Malone, or to Minneapolis?

1929

• What was the series score going into game 2? Game 4?
• a couple more — How many?

1930

• he was arrested for disorderly conduct — Any more details?
  • No. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

1931

• shoulder problems — Any more details?
  • No. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
• calling his performance "distasteful. — Odd word. Any more details?
  • It was due to the poor performance against Boston, already mentioned. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
• suspended Wilson — For how long?
  • Source doesn't say. Back then, a suspension likely would not have been for a certain amount of games at the outset. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

1932

• stop carrying on so much — What does this mean?

1933

• Shoulder problems — Any more details?
  • No. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

1934

• contractual bonuses that he would have become eligible for had he won 15 games — Any more details? Was it one bonus (15 wins = x money), or multiple bonuses (for multiple benchmarks)?
• He eventually reached an agreement with the Cardinals — Details?
  • No. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

1935

• Malone made only two starts in 1935 — Why?
  • I would assume it was because he was getting older, but sources don't say. It is not our job to speculate. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
• neither of which was a good performance — Details?

1936

• This section should have a topic sentence. "Nonetheless" isn't great to lead off a new section; something like "Despite Malone's lackluster performance the previous year, ..." would work.
• "got himself knocked out in the second inning" — A bit vague/casual.
• "Malone entered and pitched six innings" — Was this his first appearance of the year?
  • No. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
• "it was Malone's best start" — He didn't start.
• "In 68 innings pitched out of the bullpen, his ERA was 2.12 in the latter part of the year." — Were all 68 innings referred to here in the latter part of the year?
  • Not sure where "in the latter part of the year" came from; not mentioned in source; removed. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
• "no more than four runs in either of the outings" — How many runs per game?
• "Malone recorded a save" — But you just said these weren't yet a thing.
  • I said it wasn't yet an official statistic; I didn't say it wasn't yet a thing. Under the definition of save, statisticians have credited them retroactively. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
• "came in the 10th inning" — Bottom (walkoff) or top?
• "giving Malone his only World Series championship" — Somewhat inconsistent with the lead, which says that "He played for ... two World Series champions". I get the distinction (World Series roster), but the emphasis in the article's lead and body is different.

1937

• The Sporting News portrayed Malone as a "stout-hearted has-been of another era" — Why? Didn't he do well the season before? Or (as Wolf is about to say), didn't he display "magic"?
  • They probably just said it because he was getting old, but it's not our job to speculate. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 01:17, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
• According to Wolf, he was "unable to duplicate the magic from the previous season" — Why? It seems odd here, given that it's right after a line about him pitching out of a jam and then doing well for the rest of the game.
  • Worded it better. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 01:17, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
• Any information about his starts?
  • None of them were really that notable, so I don't think they need to be covered in greater depth. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 01:17, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Final professional season (1938)

• "he quit the team in April" — Any word on why?
  • No. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 01:17, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Career statistics

• "In a 10-season career" — "In a 10-season major league career"?

Pitching style

• "Standing at 6 ft 0 in (1.83 m) and 200 pounds" — If you're going to convert feet to meters, may as well convert pounds to kilograms.

Practical joker

• This is a bit of an odd short section, and is probably best incorporated into "Personal" or "Pitching style".

Personal

• Any information about Seeley, e.g., her background?
  • No. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 01:17, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
• Any information about his legacy, to the extent he has one?
  • This is found in the last paragraph of the 1934 section; not really long enough for its own section. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 01:19, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Addressed all comments made thus far! Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Looks good, Sanfranciscogiants17. I've made some additional edits, and am passing now. --Usernameunique (talk) 22:38, 11 August 2021 (UTC)