Talk:Passive Seismic Experiment Package

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A fact from Passive Seismic Experiment Package appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 1 June 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Passive Seismic Experiment Package (pictured) recorded one of the first instances of humans littering on another planetary body?

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The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 00:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The Passive Seismic Experiment Package on the Moon.

... that the Passive Seismic Experiment Package recorded one of the first instances of humans throwing trash out of the vehicle on another planetary body? Source: https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/as11psr.pdf

ALT1 (from User:DovahFRD) ... that the PSEP recorded the first time that humans littered on the Moon?
ALT2... that the PSEP recorded the creation of the first toss zone on another planetary body?
ALT3... that the PSEP first seismometer to be deployed on a planetary body other than Earth?

- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Antonio Dini

Created by Seddon (talk). Self-nominated at 02:38, 17 April 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Passive Seismic Experiment Package; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Starting review. Alex2006 (talk) 06:40, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited: - N
Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Interesting article about an experiment performed by the Apollo 11 astronauts. However, there are a few problems:

First of all, the article requires some copyediting.
One question: are you sure the sources are talking about "asteroid" impacts? Aren't they by any chance meteroids?
There is mention of six types of events recorded by the experiment, but then only two are described. What about the others? For sake of completeness, I would introduce a short mention about the other four.
Regarding the hook, it talks about "trash", but there is actually no mention of that in the article, only about items thrown from the LEM. To call them "trash" one needs to explain why they were thrown out.
Also, the hook recites that it is "one of the first instances of humans"... Why one of the first? Did anyone else throw trash on the moon or elsewhere before Apollo11? Alex2006 (talk) 07:06, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Seddon: Can you address the concerns? BorgQueen (talk) 10:08, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BorgQueen: sorry for the holdup. Will work on this today. Seddon ^talk 12:03, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Seddon: well... any progress? BorgQueen (talk) 17:04, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BorgQueen: I've corrected:

Meteoroid terminology
Added some information about the other signal types.
The last point feels a little challenging to resolve by adding and so I am thinking maybe some alt hooks might be useful here. Will have a think but also welcome any suggestions

I'll take a look at improving the information around "trash". There are a fair few popsci articles and a couple of academic articles that discuss the topic of rubbish on the moon. Seddon ^talk 01:24, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. @Alessandro57: Good enough now? BorgQueen (talk) 01:37, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Alessandro57 and BorgQueen: Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I could have sworn that Seddon already had at least five nominations and thus needs a QPQ (unless I'm confusing him with someone else). The QPQ checker is down at the moment so I can't verify though. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:37, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: No, the QPQ checker gave 0 nominations to me. I will answer to the other issues this evening (UTC+2). Alex2006 (talk) 07:56, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BorgQueen and Seddon:, not yet: the article still needs copyediting, and we have the problem of the hook. The other two points have been solved. Alex2006 (talk) 15:34, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: you are right, I need to do a QPQ. Will sort that out. I've done a bit of a copyedit and made some additional changes to support the original hook and also provided some variants. Seddon ^talk 00:25, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done Seddon ^talk 01:17, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hallo @Seddon:, and thanks for addressing my concerns. About the QPQ I don't understand, I am continuing to receive 0. Regarding the hooks, my preference goes to ALT1. For me the article now it's Good to go!

ApprovedAlex2006 (talk) 18:56, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Alessandro57: please use {{subst:DYKtick}} instead so the bot will understand. BorgQueen (talk) 22:27, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia’s string of poorly written DYKs continues

What is this DYK even supposed to mean? What does record even mean in this instance? Who writes these? Who approves these? Terrible. Between generally boring and poorly phrased DYKs and that one day everything was about the coronation of British monarchs (like this site isn’t supposed to have at least some nominal claim to neutrality), this website is losing it. 100.40.62.139 (talk) 15:20, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]