Talk:Parthenopean Republic

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No idea what the following means:"In the meantime the Jacobine and Republican parties of Naples surged, and the civil war broke out." qp10qp 01:50, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Lazzaroni?

This article makes the lazarroni sound like a unified 100% pro monarchist class, which seems very unlikely. Can someone more informed edit the page to clarify this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.68.244.251 (talk) 16:11, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A: I have read ca. 1,5 m of literature on the topic, from first hand accounts from the time of the Parthenopean Republic (like Gorani, Tischbein, Hamilton, Monitore Napoletano etc.) as well as reports from the mid 19.th century (Ferrybridge) and works of later historians (Corti, Acton, Helfert, Giglioli). Indeed there is zero historical evidence that any Lazzerone had any sympathies or ties with Jacobins or republicans. Even enemies of the Bourbons and staunch republicans grudgingly acknowledge this in their writings. The first Lazzerone known to convert to the Republic was one "Michaele Pazzo" after meeting General Etienne Championnet. The fact that this man is even known by name indicates that this must have been an unusual and astonishing act worth recording. The Lazzeroni's loyalty towards their king seems to have been without question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.140.126.162 (talk) 17:14, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Republica Napolitana

The coins of this state use the name "Republica Napolitana", not "Repubblica Partenopea". Anyone know why?
Dove1950 (talk) 20:39, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. The document that proclaimed the republic also has "Napoletana" and not "Partenopea". The latter term has always been--indeed, still is--widely used as a synonym for Naples. Modern day Neapolitans may even refer to themselves as "Pathenopeans"--Partenope being the original name of the city that later became Naples. It's a very common usage, and many sources refer to the republic as "Partenopea" even though, as you point out, it is not accurate. I am not sure that it is worth correcting--that is, redirecting this article to a renamed article with an explanatory note. Jeffmatt (talk) 06:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think I've ever heard of the "Neapolitan Republic (Napoleonic)!"

Why has the article been moved thither? -- Jack1755 (talk) 19:09, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes! Isn't the description of the Republic as Napoleonic in the main title a bit of a misnomer, even an anachronism? After all Barras is still in power in France and Bonaparte, as he should be called before the Empire, is way out of the picture in Egypt, isolated from Italian events by Nelson's fleet. It is not till August 1799 that he gets back from Egypt to France by ship and only from September onwards is he becoming a key ruler of France, and the Naples Republic is already well dead. The Parthenopean Republic ran its course without him. Surely it would be better to entitle it: "The Parthenopean Republic of Naples 1799"? Ianahf (talk) 15:23, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

' This article would appear to be well over one hundred years old in its sources and approach. It sounds very much the product of the élitist Whig Macaulayite or even Foxite view of history with its sympathy for French Jacobins and yet thorough fear and dislike of the real people, viz. the treatment of the ordinary Neapolitan people as "Lazzaronis" and the stress on their "burning and massacring" without ever explaining exactly who it was that they were actually fighting and killing. The article remains totally silent on the probable massacres and executions by the other side. After all the French were notorious for carrying portable guillotines in the baggage of their armies. Obviously the French were carrying out a colonial enterprise here and expanding their European empire in a way that would be bound to get up the snout of a people proud of the long history of their own state and highly suspicious of a French expansionist state which was associated with violent hostility to their religious traditions and way of life . This article needs rewriting along the lines of the last century's research and the Meridionalist school today. I'm looking into what the Italians are producing now. Ianahf (talk) 14:53, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:21, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Parthenopean Republic (Napoleonic) → Parthenopean Republic – There was only ever one Parthenopean Republic. The disambiguator is unnecessary. Gorobay (talk) 03:44, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Unnecessary disambiguation. Jenks24 (talk) 05:24, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Gets rid of words we don't need Purpleback pack 89≈≈≈≈ 16:37, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. A rare case of truly unnecessary precision. Noetica^Tea? 04:41, 9 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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What is the Republic of Taured ? Syed Abbas Haider Zaidi (talk) 10:45, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Similar flags

How is it relevant? [Here] Kingofthedead has introduced at a very visible, prominent place (infobox caption) the comment
"similar to the flag of Chad or the flag of Romania."
Meanwhile Chad has been removed, and an addition has showed up:
"similar to the flag of Romania which would be adopted in the 19th century."
If there is no reason to suggest that the Romanian Principalities were inspired in the choice of their national colours by the Parthenopean flag, this should be removed. One could add [[Flag of Chad]] and [[Flag of Romania]] under "See also", at the most. On the other hand, if there is a connection, this would be a very welcome addition to the respective article(s)! Arminden (talk) 14:16, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tricolore color order dispute

What is the evidence that the Parthenopean Republic used the tricolore blue-yellow-red? ^[1] As in this picture by Della Gatta. ^[2] The tricolore of the Parthenopean Republic according to this other painting by Della Gatta ^[3] was Blue-Red-Yellow. And according to these dawings^[4] from 1799, it was yellow-blue-red. Or was it red-blue-yellow, as suggested by the plumes? ^[5] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.140.126.162 (talk) 11:44, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

[1] ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenopean_Republic#/media/File:Flag_of_the_Parthenopaean_Republic.svg

[2] ttps://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battaglia_del_Canale_di_Procida_(1799)#/media/File:Saverio_della_Gatta_-_Battaglia_navale_al_largo_di_Procida.jpg

[3] ttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Veduta_di_Santa_Lucia_(Largo_di_Palazzo)_e_San_Martino,_Napoli,1799.jpg

[4] ttps://i.pinimg.com/originals/ae/c9/c0/aec9c0ea9ce8a5cf08865cf49ede24ec.jpg

[5] ttps://i.pinimg.com/736x/16/97/6b/16976b79ebf690ade349cc1713f09f96--napoleon-army.jpg

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