Talk:Park West, Dublin

Test poll

Is Park West a suburb? Any opinion? Cherry Orchard and Parkwest railway station - note the spelling of Parkwest; not the original Business Park name. (Sarah777 08:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC))

Good question. The dictionary defines a suburb as a peripheral populated area with a certain autonomy, so Park West could qualify in that regard. Certainly it is recognised as an area within Dublin, but is it an offical district or suburb? Dublin City Council don't seem to think so. Not until it becomes predominantly residential. Park West is commonly known as a business park which was its initial identity. But with the residential element growing that perception may change in a few years.

No. Not so difficukt - I rang Dublin City Council and the first couple of people didn't even know what I was talking about. The idea of an industrial estate as a suburb seemed to strike them as funny. But they did say and estatre agent might say it was. 217.213.155.17 10:32, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

OK. But have they published that pov anywhere? (Sarah777 19:17, 21 June 2007 (UTC))

As to that, and without going deep, has anyone published the PoV that Park West is a suburb? I have never heard either this, or the more famous Citywest in Saggart / West Tallaght (despite its high-profile sponsors, with most of Tony O'Reilly's stuff there) so-called. After all, WP is strict enough that even the obvious like "The Northside is traditionally viewed as being more working-class in character than its counterpart across the river[citation needed]," has to be proven by citation. And inventing whole new suburbs is a significant enough business, if this encyclopedia is to be taken seriously. I will do a little digging, with people like Independent News & Media, DCU and Eircom, and similar if I can find for Park West. Skir77 07:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I certainly am no torch barer for the people you mentioned! And I'd agree that there are some issues (in the local Dublin context) that are so universally acknowledged that asking for citations seems silly. (And without endorsing it) I'd agree the Northside comment falls into that category. I guess where the references do become important is in a case like Citywest, where as a local familiar with the area since I can remember, I simply observe that it is regarded as a separate place, not Saggart, not Tallaght. And you have a different view. regards (Sarah777 07:51, 23 June 2007 (UTC))

Fair enough. While I would like to see a better way to determine such things, there are more important things to do for years to come, looking around even just Ireland in WP. Regards, and on with the work, Skir77 13:10, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Any actual *evidence* per WP rules that this is a suburb? Or a village!?

As these seems prima facie untrue. But even if the main promoter of this thesis was a top geographer, or the head of the local City or County Council, WP does not work on opinion. Please provide two supporting citations, or the implication that a business park is a suburb has to come out. For now, as discussed in the edit history, looks like PoV or at best claimed Original Research. And contrary to the promoter's assertion, nowhere in WP policy is an assumption that a suburb is a suburb unless proven otherwise, what a bizarre idea! Next thing Tom Moran will be declaring a new suburb of "Red Cow" . . . 83.241.234.2 (talk) 16:10, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

What Wiki "rules" do you refer to? Actually Wiki operates exclusively on opinion provided the opinion is reliable. ie opined in the Western establishment media! To paraphrase Jimbo (a WikiGod) "It matters not a toss if 'tis true so long as some hack in the corporate Western meeja has said it". Sarah777 (talk) 21:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Citations not produced, so challenge (CITE, POV) upheld. 83.241.234.2 (talk) 14:55, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Rule quoted in support of claim not cited. Sarah777 (talk) 22:52, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

A business park is not a village or suburb, and even the developer of this place so describes it, and the following Policy applies>

Wikipedia:Verifiability: attribution is required for "direct quotes and for material that is challenged or likely to be challenged." Any material that is challenged, and for which no source is provided within a reasonable time (or immediately if it's about a living person), may be removed by any editor.

In fairness, a search of ireland.com, Ireland's Paper of Record, does not provide any contrary evidence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.140.248.209 (talk) 20:41, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. And IP challenges don't count. Rule 17a. Sarah777 (talk) 22:08, 6 March 2008 (UTC)