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Subliminal messages

on many sites, i found that patd used subliminal messages. does anyone know what they may be. because i am not registered, i can not add the secion. please help me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.147.133 (talk) 07:22, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

They looks like a THE BEATLES,and the beatles NOT emo!

emo not is a genre of music,emo not is culture,is a simple bad idea of Teens Ignorants AMERICANS!

• the shaggy ,mod , punk hair cut NOT emo

• emo NOT have style,noT have music,not! have culture

I agree —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iloveryanross99 (talk • contribs) 22:28, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree, the emo label is nonsensical. Radiohead would better qualify as emo. Zazaban (talk) 21:18, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

It's a matter of sourcing. A source says they are emo, so as far as wikipedia is concerened they are.96.244.79.191 (talk) 17:02, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

It is possible that the source is wrong. Rolling Stone and Allmusic really have no clue what "Emo" is, in my (and many other people's) opinion. Emo sound is personified by Sunny Day Real Estate, and comparing music to music, Panic! is nothing like it, not even remotely similar, same goes for Paramore, or Fall Out Boy, who are also categorized as "Emo".--Samushi101 (talk) 06:22, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

IF anyone knows it's allmusic and rolling stone. Your opinion is not important, sources are importnat whether you agree with them or not. --neon white talk 11:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Samushi. Sources are not all-knowing gods, sometimes they just associate music with other music because they came from similar backgrounds. "Emotional-hardcore" is nothing like Panic At The Disco so claiming they are emo is illogical. I've said this on FOB's page and TH's page too, just because a band looks like they fit in with emo bands does not make them emo. This is like claiming that because a whale is in the ocean it is a fish, by definition it is incorrect and cannot be identified as such. PATD may have come from the same "ocean" as bands like Sunny Day Real Estate but that doesn't make them emo. Gellister (talk) 23:56, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

It's not our job to evaluate how music journalists come to a conclusion, we just follow policy on reliablity and verifiablity. Nobody within the wikipedia project has made that conclusion, if you have an issue with the sources take it up with Rolling Stone or allmusic. False analogies dont help arguments and wikipedia is not the place to launch personal quests to change definitions based on personal feelings. It's an encyclopedia of knowledge not a place for publishing of original thoughts on a subject. --neon white talk 03:34, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree that they are not emo, but you have to find reference that says so. Also, emo does not mean "emotional hardcore." It used to simply mean "emotional." Emocore is the genre that exemplifies "emotional hardcore." —ŁittleÄlien¹⁸² 00:14, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Anybody whos ever listened to either albums and actually knows what emo is (this is coming from a teenager and we are the authority on the cliques are) knows that Panic At the Disco aren't emo and never have been. Anyway when Panic third album comes out next year we'll finally be rid of this atrocity. As this article says The Beatles aren't emo and neither is Elton John, and he's going to influence Panic's third album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.166.176 (talk) 23:22, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

-I really think the listing of the type of music should be known along the lines of the following: Rock, Alternative, Indie, Pop Rock, Dance Rock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WhoCouldLoveMe (talk • contribs) 04:33, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Alright guys, being a teenager also, I have to say that I know what the "emo" stereotype is and some bands fit under it. However Panic At The Disco does not and never did. Here is a source that will show you Brendon Urie himself saying that they are not "emo" ---> http://www.tv.com/brendon-urie/person/465278/trivia.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Footballfan7122 (talk • contribs) 17:03, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay guys, wikipedia goes by sources. How do you know that Brendon didn't mean just the Pretty.Odd. stuff (i just can't call it music) wasn't emo. Check out the first cd, AND more importantly the 90% of reviews that say that it and they are emo. Terminus777 (talk) 06:58, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Merger

I just closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brendon Urie (2nd nomination) with the suggestion that all the articles involved be merged here. The articles are:

Brendon Urie (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Ryan Ross (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Spencer Smith (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Jon Walker (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Brent Wilson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

{{la/Erica and tylerr were here betchesss!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.88.254.235 (talk) 22:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Cheers. lifebaka++ 00:31, 13 October 2008 (UTC) How nice. Now the article with information that people actually used are gone and none of the information made it's way over here. They are popular enough for individual Wiki pages.

No Wave

Not to be a troll, but I honestly think that there should be some kind of source for the claim that this band is No Wave. Does anybody know if there's a reason that it's listed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.180.220.103 (talk) 19:51, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

NO WAVE????

I have no idea how to change this, but for God's sake, someone do it.

First off, NO WAVE is a form of extremely noisy and cacophonous art-punk, a genre which Panic at the Disco have no ties to. Secondly, what the clever gentleman meant was NEW WAVE. Which may vagualy bear resemblance to Panic at the Disco's sound, but is really pushing the definition of the genre. Third, Since there is no source, whether you're citing them as New Wave, No Wave, or Surf Rock is entirely irrelevant. Will someone please change this before a 12-year-old goes bragging to his/her friends that he/she listens to No Wave punk rock? Toyboxmonster (talk) 15:49, 28 October 2008 (UTC)toyboxmonster

Yeah, there is clearly no way they're no wave. What a sad coincidence. I also suggest that there be ZERO ties to New Wave, unless whoever puts it lists some amazing and unexpected reasons. 71.180.220.103 (talk) 01:37, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok, here we go again with the weird genre additions. Baroque pop is even more unlikely than new wave. Definately needs a citation. 71.180.220.103 (talk) 01:59, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Typo

There seems to be a typo under the Jon Walker bio where the is a "v" replacing the "c" in the word became. I tried editing but it wouldn't let me since I do not have an account and don't really plan on making one any time soon. Would appreciate it if someone could fix it for me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.10.222.131 (talk) 19:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

 Done - Fixed it. Thanks for spotting that. —ŁittleÄlien¹⁸² 19:49, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Grammys

Pretty. Odd. was nominated for the box set album category, the same one as A Fever You Can't Sweat Out was nominated for last year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.176.218.1 (talk) 21:40, 4 December 2008 (UTC) Cool, that is done. I fixed it, call me! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Panicatthedisco99 (talk • contribs) 21:42, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Style Section: Work needed

I think this section needs clean up, it seems to largely consist of self-congratulatory quotes by the band and not enough second and third party opinions. --neon white talk 05:12, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Individual Pages

I know the band used to have individual pages, and I'm wondering why they're gone. Because really, there's enough information about them all through interviews and their websites/blogs that we could have large pages for them all. And if we put it all in the little paragraphs on the page, it'd be huge. People like Pete Wentz have their own pages. I don't get why the band doesn't have theirs anymore, unless someone who thought they weren't important just decided to put them up for deletion. - Babylon pride (talk) 04:20, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

-I really don't think that it's fair to have posted about Ryan's cheating incident on his girlfriend of 3 years. It's a tender topic and I really think that it's hurtful to out this on this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WhoCouldLoveMe (talk • contribs) 04:39, 17 February 2009 (UTC) -the fact that ryan ross is a manwhore is not a secret... Rumors have always been around that he frequently cheated on Keltie.. and They were only dating for 2 1/2yrs when he cheated on her. Sucks to be her, to discover a text from another women on his phone... and i'm like 95% sure they were engaged. Because her twitter today says "giving my diamonds over to my hard working bestie's man so she can get engaged shhhhh" So that kinda makes it worse..

What is this?

"Ryan is also currently in a secret relationship with Criss Angel." Look under Current Members - this seems like a pretty big statement to make. Maybe it should be sourced? And if it were sourced, how would the relationship still be a secret? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.238.152.3 (talk) 20:18, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

-This is untrue. He went to see his Mindfreak show once and said it sucked. He also said that he was "Pretty. Odd." in an NME Interview. A responce to the criticism was posted on a fake twitter page for Criss. Nothing else has ever happened. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WhoCouldLoveMe (talk • contribs) 04:37, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

The Paul Revere Jumpsuit Apparatus

What do you know about The Paul Revere Jumpsuit Apparatus? Is it a side project or something different?--DanSlovakia (talk) 12:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Brendon Urie, the lead singer, is vegetairian. =D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.208.95 (talk) 19:47, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

emo???

What have do to do Panic at the disco whit emo bands like Rites of springs or Circles Takes the Square???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.137.64.159 (talk) 11:41, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Emo Classification Removed

Panic At The Disco has spoken out against the "emo" subculture, and have said that they did not intend their music to be classified as such. Please see cited parts of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo#Criticism —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.12.172.118 (talk) 22:15, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Whether they like it or not they are classified as emo and it's sourced. If you want to add something about them not liking that, as long as it's sourced, that's fine. But just because they don't like being called emo, doesn't make it untrue. TheJazzDalek (talk) 23:13, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

No, but them not fitting the accepted definition of emo does make it untrue. But it's pointless to argue this point anymore people, as someone else said below, Wikipedia runs on verifiability, not truth. (READ: Wikipedia is retarded).--69.128.170.19 (talk) 23:41, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

that's stupid, if the band says they're not emo, then they're not. bands pick their own genres, not websites. you can put that they used to be emo if it makes you feel better. Also, how come the band members don't have their own pages? I wasn't sure when exactly Brendon's birthday was and I was gonna look it up... but they don't have their own pages.. that's weird. ~Zac —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.167.236.252 (talk) 20:16, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Bands don't pick their own genres on Wikipedia, reliable sources do. I suggest you read up on how Wikipedia works before removing genres you simply don't agree with. Timmeh! 20:25, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Maybe when they filled in the band form they ticked the wrong genre box? ;) --neon white talk 17:08, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

There's a manual for Wikipedia? I just thought people did whatever they wanted.. or at least it seems like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.157.190.2 (talk) 18:20, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

"Not emo"? Well they sure as hell have a lot of emo followers... --Ragemanchoo82 (talk) 01:17, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

"Emo" as a musical genre and "emo" as a culture are two entirely different things. Just because emo kids listen to a band doesn't make that band emo. I consider myself emo but I don't listen to that many true emo bands; I prefer the punk pop that many people mistakenly referr to as emo because they're popular among emo people, but that doesn't mean those bands are emo.--69.128.170.19 (talk) 23:41, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Most of their "emo followers" (you make it sound like a cult) aren't fans anymore because of "Pretty. Odd." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.231.76.164 (talk) 16:47, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

http://www.nme.com/news/nme/24758 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.231.76.164 (talk) 16:53, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

THEY'RE NOT EMO, PLEASE DON'T ADD EMO LIKE A MUSIC GENRE, EMO ISN'T A MUSIC GENRE. THANKS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.142.18.211 (talk) 20:12, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Ok... go ahead and keep Emo as one of their labels.. cuz they're going back to their AFYCSO sound... ~Zac

Emo

Emo is musical genre it was a genre before it was anything else and panic at the disco is emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.219.80.250 (talk) 17:17, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Is Panic! like the emo bands like Jimmy Eat World and My Chemical Romance? No. They aren't Panic At The Disco Isn't Emo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.142.6.104 (talk) 00:41, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Since when do Jimmy Eat World and My Chemical Romance sound alike?--69.128.170.19 (talk) 23:41, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

No Number Ones?

I remember everyone being immensely in love with the first album A Fever you can't sweat out Are you sure there were no number ones? Doesn't Panic deserve one of those chart boxes most wiki bands have so we can find out easier? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.74.178.1 (talk) 22:28, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Band Picture

Can someone put a picture of a live performance of the band at the beginning of the page. A picture taken by yourself. Because first wikipedia don't allow pictures that are copyrighted and second i don't have one. And it sucks when your wikipedia page don't have your picture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by D10P3T (talk • contribs) 06:19, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Done. Wikifan12345 (talk) 23:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Yea I posted a picture a few weeks ago.

--Kypie55 (talk) 07:46, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Loss of Band Members

Hey, I know I'm not registered, but I have added the fact that Ryan Ross and Jon Walker left in the Third Studio album section. I also moved them from current members to former members. If you have any questions or anything, email me at IamMisplaced@rocketmail.com or just comment again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.169.137.160 (talk) 15:21, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I just need a confirmation from someone: Did Ryan really use coke? I am really emotionally distraught about the breakup, and I just need an extremely honest confirmation. Also, were the photos doctored? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.160.6.6 (talk) 22:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Sadly... it might be true. At first, i was devistated that ryan and jon split up. I then realised this could be an opportunity to see what awesometastic project they could come up with together. then, images of him and coke spread out. Now, i never wanna see ryans face EVER AGAIN! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.97.226 (talk) 12:48, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Dang it! Thank you for the answer though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.160.96.169 (talk) 16:07, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

He said he was at a party and one of the girls from the band "The Like" said "let's take a picture" and he wasn't aware that the coke was there. He may be lieing, but he says he didn't use it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.167.236.252 (talk) 23:40, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Requested Temporary Semi-Protection for this article

I put in a request for temporary semi-protection for this article due to the recent announcement of the lineup change for the band, and vandalism I've seen on this page today.

To the sane but unregistered people who have been editing this page in good faith - please just register. It's easy to do. JenR (talk) 22:33, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Band Name

I don't have an account but they just put the exclamation point back in the name, it even says so in the article, so should the article title be changed to Panic! at the Disco? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.201.47.24 (talk) 22:39, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Unless third party reliable sources say the name is changed or the band itself says so, the information does not belong in the article. We rely on verifiability, not truth. Timmeh 22:42, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Even if they do add the exclamation point, our manual of style tends to recommend against decorative punctuation and other such styles. Pink (singer) over P!nk, and so forth. The exclamation point could certainly be mentioned if the band decides they want to use it again, but it shouldn't be used throughout the article under any circumstances. Croctotheface (talk) 00:30, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Our naming conventions policy also says: "Non-alphanumeric characters may still be appropriate if a common term for the article is generally expressed as a non-alphanumeric phrase." Timmeh 00:57, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

That quote from the guideline is from a section dealing with avoiding unnecessarily BEGINNING article names with special characters because it creates problems for alphabetical indexing. The exception you quote basically says that it's still appropriate to begin the article name with such a special character if the article subject is commonly referred to by such a name. That's nowhere close to this case. The "band names" section and its reference to avoiding stylized typography is more salient. WP:MOSTM is also relevant. Additionally, the fact that the band used a name with standard formatting for so long makes me rather disinclined to believe that reliable sources will follow them if they decide they like the exclamation point again. Croctotheface (talk) 02:25, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I did later have a feeling that was the case. Thanks for bringing that guideline to my attention. Actually, the band only got rid of the exclamation point a year and a half ago, so for most of their career the name had the character in it. Timmeh 03:29, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Timmeh. http://www.panicatthedisco.com/ If you follow that link the page title is Panic! At The Disco and the blog is signed by Spencer of Panic! At The Disco. Surely this would be a suitable reference? You don't make the same mistake twice, it seems quite deliberate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.214.37.31 (talk) 01:10, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

That doesn't matter. They haven't announced a name change, and unless reliable sources say they changed their name, it shouldn't be shown here. Timmeh 03:29, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

You don't think that them saying that they were considering putting the ! back in followed by the drummer using it on their website to be a reliable enough source?--24.56.57.138 (talk) 03:54, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Unless they explicitly stated the "!" is back in the name, the addition of it here is not verifiable. Timmeh 15:02, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

It should be great if the article says in the intro information: Panic at the Disco (also known as/better known as Panic! at the Disco). I have a reliable source:

http://newsroom.mtv.com/2009/07/10/panic-at-the-disco-premiere-demo-bring-back-the-exclamation-point/. User:Giusex27sc (User talk:Giusex27sc) 02:31, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

The article name is still Panic at the Disco. Instead of just changing the intro can we not rename the page? Just like the Pretty. Odd. article uses the periods the Panic! At The Disco wikipedia page should also use the exclamation with a redirection for anyone that searches the current article name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.110.245 (talk) 14:10, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Please see Croctotheface's comments about stylizing titles. Also, your argument really doesn't hold up, per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Timmeh 23:02, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I think the name of the article should use the exclamation point. Their MySpace, their new logo, even the record label [1] are using the exclamation point. If this isn't explicit enough, then I really don't know what would satisfy you aside from an interview with them saying they're bringing it back but that almost seems like wanting evidence already given. Thedarkchao93 (talk) 02:50, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Non-alphanumeric or stylized characters generally aren't used in article titles on Wikipedia. See WP:MOSTM. Timmeh 03:03, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Surely that means the Wham! page should be retitled Wham? It can't be one rule for Panic! and one rule for others. Not much of an encyclopedia without consistancy. --90.220.165.240 (talk) 23:27, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

On Pete Wentz's blog he wrote "It's Back" and next to this there was a picture of a "!" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.167.236.252 (talk) 03:42, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I think accuracy is a tad more important than consistency in this case. Generally speaking, it wouldn't be done but it was done before they took the punctuation away and should be back with it's revival. Thedarkchao93 (talk) 23:44, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Assuming it is no longer ambiguous that the band has decided to again use the exclamation point, there's certainly nothing wrong with making reference to it somewhere, even in the first few words of the article. In that respect, I hope it's clear that we are not somehow trying to deny that they choose to add a decorative exclamation point to their name. Acknowledging that style but then using another should really get rid of any "accuracy" complaint, since referring to the band as, say, "Panic" or referring to, say, Rage Against the Machine as "Rage" are not "accurate" in the strictest sense either, since nobody would agree that Panic or Rage are the names of those bands. But just like readers are better served by the way that using "Rage" can improve the writing, so too are they served by our not using wacky stuff like exclamation points in the middle of sentences. Plus, I think you'll find that many sources will continue to omit the exclamation point just like we do, on a similar theory to the one I'm espousing here. Croctotheface (talk) 05:58, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be a section, or paragraph at least, on the name change itself, i.e. the removal and reinsertion of the "!"? I don't know, maybe at the beginning or in the third studio album section. Adam2201 (talk)

Personally if you ask me I do think that the page title should have the ! in it but not the url address. But maybe it should be in the url for offical sake. Just have whatever redirect to the correct page. They name change has been verified on a number of occasions. Almost all offical pages that have to do with the band has the ! back in the name. Also the cover for the single "New Perspective" Have the ! in their name. You can't get any more explicit than that. (Kypie55 (talk) 07:53, 28 July 2009 (UTC))

Here is an official announcement - Spencer talks to MTV about the return of the !. http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1617313/20090730/panic_at_the_disco.jhtml MJB12 (talk) 02:14, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I want to reiterate something I mention in the below section so that it can be considered outside the context of a move request. Though I'd prefer to keep the article where it is, I wouldn't go nuts over a move. However, I do strongly dislike the use of the exclamation point throughout the article. It's jarring to see end punctuation that doesn't actually end a sentence. While there are some sources that use it, there are plenty that do not. It's certainly fine to use the exclamation point early on in the article, but there's no need to use it throughout. Croctotheface (talk) 01:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. I think we should remove any instances of the exclamation point after the first sentence to keep the most readability. However, there will undoubtedly be many re-additions of it by IPs, regardless of an edit note. Timmeh 15:12, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Move Request

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was page moved. —harej (talk) (cool!) 19:23, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

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Panic at the Disco → Panic! at the Disco — The band re-adopted the "!" when two members left the band. Since their current name includes the !, the articles title should also include it. Keytar Shredder (talk) 00:03, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

• Comment Corrected Keytar Shredder move request. 『 ɠu¹ɖяy 』^¤ 00:08, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I invite you to take a look at the section above this one, Keytar. There, it is explained why the title shouldn't have the "!" in it. Timmeh 00:50, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

• I'm opposed to any move. I also think that after the first reference in the first line, we should omit the exclamation point in the prose. In all honesty, I'd prefer using it in the article name but not throughout the article to this. See the above section for more. Croctotheface (talk) 04:21, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
• Support. The exact name of any band should be the title of their article. Since they've reincorporated the exclamation mark, we should move it back. — CIS ^(talk | stalk) 05:28, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
• What? I was starting to forget about their existence. Damn it. —harej (talk) (cool!) 1:30 am, Today (UTC−4)
• Support. Their name is Panic! at the Disco and not Panic at the Disco. Therefore it should be moved to use the exact name. Adam2201 (talk) 21:04, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
• Support per strong case to reanme. My only concern is that whoever does the move leaves the former members linked to Panic at the Disco which redirects to Panic! at the Disco. When a change like this happens, care needs to be exercised in fixing the redirect links. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:32, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Emo

Ok, emo can stay here, but, why is emo as the fist genre if is a disputed genre? emo should be the last genre Wikipedia = Fascism —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.229.176.131 (talk) 02:41, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Shadow talk page

Back when this talk page was at "Talk:Panic at the Disco" there was a "Talk:Panic! at the Disco" which was totally different. I have now moved that latter page to Talk:Panic! at the Disco/old talk page. —harej (talk) (cool!) 19:24, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Where'd the section on The Musical Excursion go?

There is no section after it mentions "Live in Chicago", what happened? Someone needs to put it back...

Protection/vandalism

This page has received immense amounts of vandalism recently from anon IP's; should it be semi-protected? Angryapathy (talk) 02:00, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes. It's always bouncing around my watchlist like a cricket on meth. Crafty (talk) 02:06, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Electric-Heavy Dreams

can we have some proof that this is what it will be called? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.218.131.80 (talk) 11:43, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Associated Acts

There has been a great deal of activity in adding associated acts to this page, many with questionable associations (and some only to Fall Out Boy). I found where there is guidance on what constitutes an Associated Act according to WP: Template:Infobox_musical_artist#Parameters under associated acts. According to this, only The Young Veins and Fall Out Boy qualify, not bands that have toured with Panic! at the Disco or were discovered by them. I'll include the whole section here for future reference:

Associated Acts

This field is for professional relationships with other musicians or bands that are significant and notable to this artist's career. This field can include, for example, any of the following:

• For individuals: groups of which he or she has been a member
• Other acts with which this act has collaborated on multiple occasions, or on an album, or toured with as a single collaboration act playing together
• Groups which have spun off from this group
• A group from which this group has spun off

The following uses of this field should be avoided:

• Association of groups with members' solo careers
• Groups with only one member in common
• Association of producers, managers, etc. (who are themselves acts) with other acts (unless the act essentially belongs to the producer, as in the case of a studio orchestra formed by and working exclusively with a producer)
• One-time collaboration for a single, or on a single song
• Groups that are merely similar

Hope this clarifies anything when random bands are added then removed. Angryapathy (talk) 15:20, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Seriously?

I'm removing the Victorian oil painting of circus performers someone claimed to be from a P!@TD conert. 76.1.48.210 (talk) 00:35, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

What evidence do you have that it's a painting? Timmeh 01:46, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

This thread has popped up on AN/I.raseaC^{talk to me} 13:23, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

It's a photo. It has encyclopaedic merit. It's license is fine. It's relevant to the article. The only justification I can see for removal would be if a better quality image can be found, otherwise it's fine. raseaC^{talk to me} 13:19, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Definitely a photo. (There's a painting in the background.) Assuming that it's truly a photo taken at one of this group's performances, and assuming the act of posting the photo doesn't violate the group's copyright in some way, I don't see what the issue is. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:12, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

My sincere apologies. I honestly believed it to be a painting. I guess that's really a compliment to the photographer, though - it captured it so well! 76.1.48.210 (talk) 04:24, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

It's quite alright. No long-term harm done. raseaC^{talk to me} 10:41, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

New members?

Ian Crawford and Dallon Weekes have been added to the list of band members based on pictures of them performing with the band, but I cannot find any information that those two are anything but touring musicians. The band's website still only refer to Urie and Spencer and contributing to the next album. I recommend they be removed and stay as touring musicians unless a better annoucement than a caption on a picture is found. Any one else agree? Angryapathy (talk) 17:54, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Off the top of my head, I can't recall any discussions about whether or not NME is an appropriate source. If not, feel free to revert, but if so, the reference I just added should settle the matter. Şłџğģő 18:09, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

In this interview, [2], which is about 7 months newer than the NME source, Weekes is asked, "Are there plans to make you a full time member of the band or will you continue as a touring member?" And replied, "Not that I know about. I’m just really grateful for the job and hope i get to continue to do it." Angryapathy (talk) 18:28, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, crap. Now it's even more confusing, since Crawford isn't mentioned. Based on the information we have, per WP:V, Crawford is permanent and Weekes is not, even though based on what Weekes said, both are almost certainly touring only. Şłџğģő 19:09, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

WP:V aside, I do believe that Crawford and Weekes were fill-ins for the tour. Weekes passively mentioned he wasn't a full-time member, and no coverage of him "departing the band"? I did some intense searching, and I can't find many sources that include Crawford as a member released this year, let alone after the flurry of articles mentioning Crawford and Weekes joining the band for the tour. Realistically, it looks like the reporting on the issue is very shoddy (what can you expect for music news). I dislike having information on this page that I believe is false, but if we follow WP:V to the letter, Crawford stays as a member of the band. I'd like to apply some common sense and remove him as a full member, but I guess we can wait until their next album gets some press so this is more news coverage to pick from, for the time being. Any other thoughts? Angryapathy (talk) 13:53, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

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Genre Change

I'm changing "alternative, rock" to "alternative rock". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocker10000 (talk • contribs) 17:51, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Silver Lock NEEDED!

Just like the All Time Low articles, vandalism has spread and the entire article has been deleted now. Please someone help restore this page and protect it from further raids.--Freaky Face Films (talk) 23:28, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

It's done now. Friginator (talk) 23:46, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

P@TD isn't emo.

Yes. I'm removing the genre because they think it's "bullshit", (http://www.nme.com/news/panic-at-the-disco/24758) and we should respect that by not including it.

A lot of artists claim this but we include it anyways for whatever reason. I think the emo scene and the emo music genre are two totally different things now. Articles constantly refer to this band and others as fitting this "emo" bill. I have not reverted this change, but I think it should be further discussed...--Freaky Face Films (talk) 23:53, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Picture

Shouldn't the article have a picture of the band where you can actually see their faces? Also, I don't think the head picture should have a former member in it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Panic Reaper (talk • contribs) 18:27, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Panic! isn't emo! Do you guys even listen to them?

I'm going to keep changing this. They are NOT emo! They do not sound emo, they do not look emo, and they do not appear emo. Escape the Fate is emo, Three Days Grace is emo, Panic! at the Disco is NOT emo. Their stage appearance back in their FEVER days (yes, 12 years ago), CAME OFF as emo, but have you listened to their new album or their 2nd album at all? They are not emo, and I will continue to remove "emo" from their genres. Even Panic! themselves think it's bullshit, because IT IS! Panic Reaper (talk) 19:01, 27 November, 2016 (UTC)

Allmusic is very explicit. Remove it and you'll be blocked from editing. ۞ Tbhotch^™ & (ↄ), Problems with my English? 19:25, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Well guess what? So is Panic! at the Disco. If even Panic! at the Disco says they're not emo, then THEY'RE NOT EMO. If I'm blocked then I'll just use one of my other 12 accounts to continue changing it. Panic Reaper (talk) 19:48, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

WP:RS demands we use all available sources not just one self-published one. I say I'm the greatest wikipedia editor in the world, but that doesn't make it so. On the other hand, heck, you said so yourself that some of their work is emo. DMacks (talk) 19:53, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay okay. I just think that the obvious should be put into the genre list, not what critics call them. I dressed in all black one day and someone called me emo. Am I emo? No, but I seemed like I was. I meant that they look emo from their stage performances, it has nothing to do with their music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Panic Reaper (talk • contribs) 18:29, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

With "the obvious" you are refering to what you hear on them, which is WP:Original research, and we should put what critics say, because they are reliable sources, you like it or not. ۞ Tbhotch^™ & (ↄ), Problems with my English? 18:42, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Dallon Weekes

The sources provided regarding Weekes being an official member of the band do not actually state that. Ignoring the fact that they are Twitter feeds, the first source is this, which solely conists of Weekes saying, "SO stoked on these new Panic! songs. Excited for Russia! I have the best job in the world. I hugged your mom!" which obviously say nothing about his status in the band. The second one, here has a fan ask the direct question, "Are you a permanent member of P!ATD? :D" which Weekes replies with, "What do you think?", which is vague and does not answer the question. As per Wikipedia, unless a reliable source states it, we can't add "common knowledge" that Weekes is a full member of the band. So if the people that consistently try to add this info are getting frustrated, I suggest you E-mail the band and ask them to make a real announcement, rather than "What do you think?" Angryapathy (talk) 14:38, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

User:BROBX has ignored this section for discussion of this topic, despite a note on their talk page, so I will repeat that if one feels that the sources discussed above qualify as reliable sources that Weekes is a full-time member of the band, this is the place to discuss, not with edit summaries calling my valid and good faith edits vandalism. Angryapathy (talk) 23:41, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you on this. The Twitter sources are completely vague and do not at all establish Weekes' "membership" in Panic! At The Disco. I think it would be best to leave him as a touring member for now. Also, I think Ian Crawford announced via Twitter just a few days ago his leaving of the band as a touring guitarist. You might like to check that out. Noreplyhaha (talk) 03:44, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

I am the one that added the sources as Dallon being a full time member. I can personally vouch for this to be true. However, I am aware that that doesn't make for a source. As the person above me has said, Ian is out after the stint of Russian shows but Dallon is officially in the band. This band just doesn't update social media though so there is no 'official' word on any site except Dallon's twitter. The way I see it is, if he is indeed writing with the band then that disqualifies him as just a 'touring member', because he is now in the studio with them. He's also done a slew of interviews with them on the Vices & Virtues touring cycle so he's far more involved than the traditional touring band member. I'm not sure how to address that in the article without making it complicated, but I believe he deserves some sort of credit now that he's writing with the band. Any suggestions on how to resolve this would be appreciated! Unugunu (talk) 23:30, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Recording with a band doesn't make you a member of the band; Dave Grohl recorded songs with Queens of the Stone Age, but was never a member of the band, and Billy Corgan recorded with Hole, and the same is true for him. As for sugestions for how to resolve this, it all comes down to sources; find a reliable source that specifically states what you would like to add, and add it. One thing Wikipedia is not keen about is making assumptions based on sources (see WP:OR or WP:SYN. If you personally know it to be true, then I am assuming you have connections to the band; ask them to make an announcement. Angryapathy (talk) 05:17, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Maybe we could wait for Kerrang or NME to report this. Yes, Weekes is more than just a "touring member" and has been involved on the new album cycle, but there isn't a "sort of member" section. A bit about me. I like Panic!ATD and I'm not all into Wikipedia policy, but from the Tweets (I have nothing against tweets) I can't actually see that Dallon is a member. Noreplyhaha (talk) 13:55, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Can I give my two cents as someone whose girlfriend's favourite song is by PATD? Yes? Good. Alright it sounds to me like it could be legitimate but to per Wikipedia's policies for it to be included it needs a reliable source. Mr Not-a-clue over here (me) just trying to learn stuff to impress but without proper information how can I do that? Anyway, Source 2 seems to be broken because it gets a 'IE cannot display the page' message when I click it, that may be school server restrictions but it's still something to look into. I'll probably be flagged for WP:OPINION or whatever it is (I'm still learning the Wikipedia ropes) but look at what I said about Source 2 maybe being broken, isn't that constructive? Someone take a look and tell me if it's just me please? Thanks. CHCSPrefect (talk) 08:55, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 January 2013

Please change Emo Pop for Indie Rock because the band don't do emo music, if not that makes Indie Rock music, also have been several times that the singer of the band, Brendon Urie, got mad when some people classified the band with that kind of music.

Here I leave as a reliable source, an article of a magazine in which Brendon talks about his distaste for this kind of music and where he said that the band don't do emo music:

http://www.nme.com/news/panic-at-the-disco/24758

Ryrosso (talk) 03:41, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. I have no particular opinion one way or the other, but there are reliable sources, such as this one, that use the emo-pop designation. See also this entry. Rivertorch (talk) 20:15, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

The !exclamation!

in the text of the second heading it states that the band dropped the exclamation "effectively becoming Panic! At The Disco", surely that should be without the "exclamation" if it was dropped!????Yellowxander (talk) 02:34, 24 March 2013 (UTC) =sorry 3d heading, 2nd paragraph

True, but in my opinion they actually never dropped it. Take a look at this cover and this cover The "!" is cleverly hidden in the "I" for "Panic" And for this cover "at the" (with full stop) is used as the "!". --124.184.178.248 (talk) 08:32, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

That's a little silly. Those are perhaps "easter eggs" to older fans. If they wanted to put an exclamation point after "Panic," they'd have put it there. Croctotheface (talk) 10:23, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

I have found several reliable sources that note that the band did, indeed, remove the exclamation point. Therefore, I intend to move this page to Panic at the Disco and make some minor lead changes. Please notify me if this is objectionable to anyone. --Jackson Peebles (talk) 21:53, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

{{Admin help}} Sigh I can't delete the redirect page Panic at the Disco nor move this page to that page. I'd just like to switch the two so that Panic! at the Disco redirects to Panic at the Disco. Could someone please do this for me? --Jackson Peebles (talk) 22:06, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

It was at that name in 2009 and moved here - I think you would be better off using WP:RM/CM - then when everybody is agreed, we can settle on a page name once and for all.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 22:34, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 June 2013

Regarding the "Fourth studio album" section: On Twitter, Weekes confirmed his involvement with the band as a full-time member[4] and that they aimed to be done recording by the end of 2012.

The final part of this statement is no longer relevant, as 2012 has ended without the aforementioned recording being finished (as far as the general public knows, etc).

Not done: If they've stated they're working on an album that information should stay in the article. Honestly it would've been a surprise for a musical group to have their record done on the timetable they initially state. Put up a reliable source that updates the information here and it can be added, but for right now I see no reason to remove anything. --ElHef (Meep?) 16:06, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

I was stating that the current wording is misleading. The statement can be reworded in a way that is not misleading with respect to the timeframe of completion. 70.193.134.140 (talk) 03:32, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please make your request in a "change X to Y" format. If you feel that the wording is misleading, feel free to suggest how it can be changed! --ElHef (Meep?) 06:01, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

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I mean this in the best possible way: I should not have to spell it out like this... just look at the recent news. It makes no sense to leave outdated and obviously wrong information in the article, given the recent announcement of the new album.

As for your change X to Y formatting request:

Change "Since the last tour cycle, Urie, Smith, and Weekes have been in the studio writing and preparing for a fourth album. On Twitter, Weekes confirmed his involvement with the band as a full-time member and that they aimed to be done recording by the end of 2012. On July 15, 2013 the album was announced as Too Weird to Live, Too Rare to Die!, with a release date of October 8, 2013. The first single, "Miss Jackson", was also released on July 15, 2013 along with its music video to promote the album. Panic! At The Disco will tour the US and Europe in support of the new album, and are opening for Fall Out Boy on the Save Rock And Roll Arena Tour." to "Since the last tour cycle, Urie, Smith, and Weekes, who, on Twitter, confirmed his involvement with the band as a full-time member, have been in the studio writing and preparing for a fourth album . On July 15, 2013 the album was announced as Too Weird to Live, Too Rare to Die!, with a release date of October 8, 2013. The first single, "Miss Jackson", was also released on July 15, 2013 along with its music video to promote the album. Panic! At The Disco will tour the US and Europe in support of the new album, and are opening for Fall Out Boy on the Save Rock And Roll Arena Tour."

I hope that I have managed to make what I believe should be done to the article *explicitly clear* (redundancy intended)... correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the purpose of having a protected article to prevent vandalism, not to discourage legitimate changes to and updating of (in the sense that the information that I have removed/rewritten in my Y version above is more accurate and up-to-date -- not to mention the stylistic improvements) the article?

(And, for the record, this debate/discussion is a perfect example of why I refuse to become a registered user of Wikipedia, if you were thinking of pointing me in that direction.). 70.193.129.228 (talk) 01:30, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

With a few copyedits, mostly to avoid making certain statements about future events, I have added your proposed text. The reason X to Y requests are preferred is that they more easily allow editors to quickly and accurately assess the merits of edit requests, while eliminating the need for us to actually write new prose from scratch. We're all volunteers here, with diverse interests and limited time, and it's not quite reasonable to expect the random editor who answers a request to "look at the recent news" and then develop new content based on our findings. I, for one, won't urge you to register, but the inescapable fact is that if you'd been registered for a little while you wouldn't need to ask other people to change articles for you. Rivertorch (talk) 04:28, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 September 2013

The bands second single from their upcoming album Too Weird To Live, To Rare To Die is This Is Gospel which was released August 124.148.115.244 (talk) 01:41, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Not done: This is already covered in the article about the album. See Too_Weird_to_Live,_Too_Rare_to_Die!. RudolfRed (talk) 23:16, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

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Touring drummer

Is it known who is the drummer filling in for Spencer Smith? As it's not listed under the touring member section, which makes it look incomplete. --1.252.87.37 (talk) 13:48, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

The touring drummer (2013-Present) is former Panic! drum tech Dan Pawlovich — Preceding unsigned comment added by PatriotFanOfNJ (talk • contribs) 14:24, 9 August 2014‎ (UTC)

References

Already done -- ferret (talk) 22:09, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Pop punk

Can we please move "pop punk" to the end of the genres tag? They arguably haven't been pop punk since their first album and most people would call them pop rock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.172.145.238 (talk) 15:17, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

They're also distinctly not pop punk, nor have they ever been. No matter what some critic says, few bands have ever been further from anything that could be remotely looked at as "punk". XJackyx (talk) 16:28, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Actually, Wikipedia goes by what the critics say rather than by what individual editors determine. See WP:V and WP:RS for more detail about this. Binksternet (talk) 16:42, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Edit Request(s) 1.3.15

"The band supported the Academy Is… on their worldwide the Ambitious Ones and Smoking Guns Tour from January to May 2006.[19]" (5th paragraph of section 1.2)

1. Can you add quotation marks around "Ambitious Ones and Smoking Guns", as it is the title of their tour (you could turn it into an appositive, too, but it's not necessary)
2. The band's full name is: "The Academy Is..."; the "the" before "Academy Is..." needs to be capitalized
3. I would write, instead, as "worldwide" is describing the tour of The Academy Is... → "The band supported The Academy Is... on their worldwide tour "Ambitious Ones and Smoking Guns"..."
4. I would take the preposition "in 2006" at the end of the sentence, and place it at the front: "In 2006, the band supported...from January to May."
5. Lastly, I would turn "The Academy Is..." into a link to its wiki page

So this is what the final product would be:

• "In 2006, the band supported The Academy Is... on their worldwide tour "Ambitious Ones and Smoking Guns" from January to May."

Also, I highly suggest you add "Vaudevillian pop-punk" as one of their genres of music.

• I feel you need to make this addition because you actually say it in the article (maintains consistency)
  • "The band's third studio album, Vices & Virtues (2011), marked a return to the band's initial Vaudevillian pop-punk sound..."

UsernameTBD (talk) 04:07, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Completed the first part. But not the Vaudevillian suggestion because it is a theatrical genre of variety entertainment. "A typical vaudeville performance is made up of a series of separate, unrelated acts grouped together on a common bill. Types of acts have included popular and classical musicians, singers, dancers, comedians, trained animals, magicians, female and male impersonators." It is more of a description term than a genre.

→Alrighty, I see where you're coming from. UsernameTBD (talk) 05:55, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Inquiry Involving Recent Edit 1.5.15

As Panic! at the Disco has performed with both Gym Class Heroes^[1] and fun.^[2], I do not understand Blinksternet's recent edit. Can somebody please explain his "trimming" to me, or reverse it if he made a mistake?

Here are the collaborations that Panic! at the Disco did with the aforementioned artists:

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOts0ngwzeQ (G.C.H.)

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klHpznbGeYc (fun.)

UsernameTBD (talk) 06:05, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Here's Wikipedia's guideline for associated acts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_musical_artist#associated_acts. From it, Panic hasn't collaborated with the two acts on "multiple occasions" as required, and "One-time collaboration for a single" should be avoided. Meanwhile, The Young Veins has two former members in common and spun off Panic; Fall Out Boy is included for having often toured with Panic. Noreplyhaha (talk) 06:36, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Exactly. I was going to point to the same guideline which asks for at least two points of intersection, whereas the links show only one each. Binksternet (talk) 07:12, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Oh, okay. I wasn't aware of that. UsernameTBD (talk) 13:50, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks alright! Thanks for taking the time to discuss it on the talk page. Noreplyhaha (talk) 07:26, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Spencer Smith

OKAY YES I GET IT. HE'S ON A HIATUS. But that doesn't mean that he's a former member. There's rumors that he's not coming back but unless there's CONFIRMED news from spencer himself, he's still a member. so please take him off the former band members section. because he's technically, still an official member. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brendonuriie (talk • contribs) 02:30, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

I support that Spencer Smith is still in the band and is not a "former member". Sources say that he has no plans to return yet, but the touring drummer is officially only a fill-in drummer. He could be reinstated as a member with "hiatus" in brackets. Noreplyhaha (talk) 12:07, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Dallon Weekes Vocals and Membership of Kenneth "Kenny" Harris

I would like to have Vocals listed by Weekes as he does vocals very similar to the vocals ross did. I also would like to had Kenneth Harris as a fulltime member as he appears in interviews as a full time member in a way other touring members have not. PacoDaKing14Sportz (talk) 18:37, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

More concrete sources than just how Kenneth Harris appears in interviews would be needed to establish him as a full time member. A confirmation in an interview or a social media post, perhaps. Or credit for a record as a band member. Noreplyhaha (talk) 02:57, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

I have proof. He is addressed as a fulltime member in recent photo shoots and has been addressed as the bands "Lead Guitarist" and is acting as a fulltime member. If appearing in photo shoots, interviews, calling himself a "Fulltime member" then I believe he is a fulltime member. BcBryar (talk) 19:24, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Can you list and link some of those instances? I don't have much knowledge on the subject matter. Maybe he might do what Dallon Weekes did and quietly slide into the full member title. Noreplyhaha (talk) 12:52, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Will link go and find the links PacoDaKing14Sportz (talk) 16:29, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Source A (A video featuring the band but does not show other touring members, shows he's a full member): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlbWwcvirPU Source B (A photo of the whole band also not featuring touring member dan, shows he's a full member): http://www.wxou.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/20140218-panic-thedisco-06-x595-1392756958.jpg Source C (A photo of the whole band also not featuring touring member dan, shows he's a full member): http://outrising.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/panicatthedisco.jpg Now I this is enough to credit him as a fulltime member of the band. PacoDaKing14Sportz (talk) 18:32, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Such links as YouTube, and picture files are not reliable source. Until there is any available (reliable) source, we can not be certain that Kenneth Harris is a full time member, or not. Quick note, even if a member appear in photoshoots, they are not seen as a full time member. Take Eric Ronick as an example. He appeared in photoshoots during the Pretty. Odd. era (most notably found on ...Live in Chicago shots); however, he was only seen as a touring member. ⍟R2me2⍟ 08:16, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

That is because touring members are usually part of live album photo shoots. Those were the only photo shoots Ronick was a part of as well. Harris how ever has been in album shoots and his featured on promotional posters or flyers and advertisements for show in a way weekes did years ago. I think that Kenny had slid into the bands lineup like dallon had and is a full time member. BcBryar (talk) 14:31, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Those are only your assumptions. Without any reliable source(s), there's nothing that can be done, nor does it meet up with Wiki standards. ⍟R2me2⍟ 16:41, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

you should add vocals to weekes per reasons at the top 207.118.132.94 (talk) 03:14, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

No we shouldn't. Even though Weekes provide Ross' vocal parts in live, he does not provide any vocal parts in the studio, unlike Ross did. ⍟R2me2⍟ 19:04, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 March 2015

Please add Kenneth Harris to the members of Panic! At The Disco because he is an official member of said band. Noahboa18 (talk) 00:39, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Already done: "who are supported by touring members Kenneth Harris on lead guitar" Kharkiv07^Talk 01:03, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Proposed Timeline and Vocal Roles of Dallon Weekes

First Off I have a timeline that I believe is easier to read then the current below and wish you would take a look at it. Second I think Weekes should be listed as "Vocals" instead of "Backing Vocals" because he performs Ryan Ross' vocals live and does exactly what ross did in the studo.

Timeline

JD.LaVanway (talk) 13:49, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2015

"lead guitarist Kenneth Harris and drumer Dan Pawlovich." (first sentence) to "lead guitarist Kenneth Harris and drummer Dan Pawlovich" Worstwordy (talk) 23:27, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Done Stickee (talk) 00:51, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2015

Death of a Bachelor was/is not a single. It was just a promotional exclusive for beats1 radio which has still yet to be released. Also I request to add Victorious as the second single. 198.7.247.227 (talk) 16:11, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. —Skyllfully ^(talk | _contribs) 04:24, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 October 2015

Change the release date for their fifth album, Death of a Bachelor, to January 15, 2016 instead of 2015 in the start of the article as this is an error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miyagi333 (talk • contribs) 12:17, 22 October 2015

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —Skyllfully ^(talk | _contribs) 02:41, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2015

The information about one of the past members is incorrect. Spencer Smith is still in the band, he just has a replacement drummer since he is going to therapy. Spencer didn't tell anyone about his depression, until he finally told Brendon. The song "This Is Gospel" was written about Spencer. Brendon had been sad about the information he had been told by Spencer, so he turned it into a song. it should say that Spencer is the drummer. Kenneth Harris (lead guitarist, vocals) should also be an official member.

The place where I had gotten this information was from Brendon Urie himself.

Mikeywayndow (talk) 10:57, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia requires verfiable sources and that isn't one, sorry. Easiest option is to wait for the day Spencer Smith comes back so he can be added again. Noreplyhaha (talk) 11:02, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 11:07, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Spencer Smith just quit the band.<ref>[http://www.panicatthedisco.com/post/115300986804/a-message-from-spencer A MESSAGE FROM SPENCER...]. http://www.panicatthedisco.com. Retrieved April 3, 2015.</ref> There you go. Noreplyhaha (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Already done. —Skyllfully ^(talk | _contribs) 02:55, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 October 2015

Please change new album release date from "January 15, 2015" to "January 15, 2016" because at the moment it is incorrect. Source http://www.panicatthedisco.com/ Saz.99 (talk) 14:13, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Done -- ferret (talk) 15:12, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Dallon Weekes as "Past member"

Weekes is currently listed under "Past members" along with (still with the band as touring member). Should we leave Weekes under past members or should we take him out of that section, with him being in neither "Members" or "Past members" like the rest of the touring members? All that are listed in "Past members" be for people that have officially left the band like the way all the past members did. Unlike Weekes, he never officially left the band, but is just not contributing creatively anymore, being downgraded back into a touring member. Lemanofthehour (talk) 15:45, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Only Panic! At The Disco could have a confusing lineup like this. I would leave it as it is with the brackets in small. Weekes was a member for a time and on the the 2013 album, and now he is just a touring member, more of a past member too. Noreplyhaha (talk) 10:26, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

"Touring member"

A while back in the band members section "Touring members" was changed into "Touring musicians" and the "members" in "Current members" and "Former members" was removed. Along with the change to touring musician, citation needed was added. Please look at other band articles. As much as they are touring musicians, they are indeed touring members as well, even if they have never addressed themselves specifically as a touring member. The people in the band members section are indeed musicians (touring or official), as well as members. No sources are needed to prove they are called touring members. Heytherehowsitgoin (talk) 22:36, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Lead sentence in need of improvement?

The first sentence in the article says that the lineup has only one person - a very small band. Is this right? Also, the word "currently" should be replaced with a date, to prevent the information being incorrect if/when changes are made in the band.—Anne Delong (talk) 05:12, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 December 2015

At the end of the section titled 'Departure of Spencer Smith and Death of a Bachelor (2015–present)', please add the sentence:

The band released the album's fifth single and title track, "Death Of A Bachelor", along with an official video on December 24.

Thanks!

Flocho (talk) 19:47, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Not done: I'm fairly certain that "Don't Threaten Me with a Good Time" is actually the fifth single and the title track hasn't been released yet, just the video. - a boat that can float! (watch me float) 09:39, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

References

Victorious (song)

Victorious (song) is tagged for a possible merge and notability concerns. Does anyone know if it charted in any national charts? Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 17:53, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Same for LA Devotee, Emperor's New Clothes (song) and Don't Threaten Me with a Good Time. Boleyn (talk) 18:42, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2016

I would like to change a few inaccurate things about the band I want to edit the information on, Panic! At the Disco. Please change Panic! At the Disco to Brendon! At the Disco because he is the only remaining one left in the band. Also, please change the respected lead singer, Brendon Urie's picture to a picture of a Rat, because he is one. Please also put 'the newest album was dedicated to Ryan Ross' because both of them are still gay as hell, and their only means of communication are writing songs to each other. I will appreciate the urgent action for this. Thank you.

Parts i'm hoping to change: "In 2015, founding member Spencer Smith officially left the band. Bassist Dallon Weekes was also downgraded to a touring member once again, leaving Brendon Urie as the only member of the official lineup."

And I'll add more useful information soon. Clementineurie (talk) 06:54, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article.
Furthermore, your proposals do not appear to represent a neutral point of view - Arjayay (talk) 13:49, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Addition to lead sentence and infobox

The lead sentence shows Panic! at the Disco as a "band", yet it only cites Brendon Urie as an official member, which is true. Yet, I feel that the sentence should also include current touring members Dallon Weekes, Kenneth Harris, and Dan Pawlovich, as well as they be included in the infobox because of how they are quoted as a band. The addition can be somewhat similar to what is on the No Doubt article, where it includes keyboardist and trombonist Gabrial McNair and keyboardist and trumpeter Stephen Bradley in the infobox and in the lead sentences. --"Hey there! How's it goin'?" 05:09, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Infobox genres

There appear to be too many genres in the infobox; typically, only a few genres are mentioned in the infobox while more that may be applicable to the musical artist are described elsewhere in the article. I propose that the following genres only be listed in the infobox because they appear to have received the most coverage per their references:

Panic! at the Disco/Archive 5
Genres	Pop punk pop rock alternative rock

I feel that the other genres that are currently in the infobox should remain in the article under the 'Musical style' section. ~Peter Dzubay (talk) 15:54, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

@Peter Dzubay: I agree that the infobox used to contain many genres that definitely should have been reduced. But I do feel that genres such as baroque pop, pop, and emo pop should be also listed per the reasons that you gave. "Hey there! How's it goin'?" 03:00, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2016

Extended content

==Awards and nominations== A list of Panic! at the Disco's awards and nominations. {{awards table}} |- |rowspan="7"| 2006 || "[[I Write Sins Not Tragedies]]" || [[MTV Video Music Awards]] – Video of the Year || {{won}} |- || "I Write Sins Not Tragedies" || MTV Video Music Awards – Best Group Video || {{nom}} |- || "I Write Sins Not Tragedies" || MTV Video Music Awards – Best Rock Video || {{nom}} |- || "I Write Sins Not Tragedies" || MTV Video Music Awards – Best New Artist in a Video || {{nom}} |- || "I Write Sins Not Tragedies" || MTV Video Music Awards – Best Art Direction in a Video || {{nom}} |- || "I Write Sins Not Tragedies" || [[Teen Choice Awards]] – Rock Track || {{nom}} |- || "I Write Sins Not Tragedies" || [[TMF Awards]] – Best Video International || {{won}} |- |rowspan="2"| 2007 || Panic! at the Disco || [[Los Premios MTV Latinoamérica]] – Best International Rock Group || {{nom}} |- || Panic! at the Disco || [[Kerrang! Awards]] – Best International Band || {{nom}} |- |rowspan="6"| 2008 || "[[Nine in the Afternoon]]" || MTV Video Music Awards – Best Direction || {{nom}} |- || "Nine in the Afternoon" || MTV Video Music Awards – Best Pop Video || {{nom}} |- || Panic! at the Disco || Los Premios MTV Latinoamérica – Best International Rock Group || {{nom}} |- || Panic! at the Disco || [[MTV Asia Awards]] – The Style Award || {{won}} |- || "Nine in the Afternoon" || Teen Choice Awards – Rock Track || {{nom}} |- || ''[[A Fever You Can't Sweat Out]]'' || [[Grammy Awards]] – Best Boxed/Special Limited Edition || {{nom}} |- || 2011 || "[[The Ballad of Mona Lisa]]" || Kerrang! Awards – Best Single || {{nom}} |- | rowspan="2"| 2014 || [[Brendon Urie]] || [[Alternative Press Music Awards]] – Best Vocalist || {{won}} |- || Panic! at the Disco || Alternative Press Music Awards – Artist of the Year || {{nom}} |- | rowspan="4"| 2015 || [[Dallon Weekes]] || Alternative Press Music Awards – Best Bassist || {{nom}} |- || Panic! at the Disco || Alternative Press Music Awards – Best Live Band || {{nom}} |- || Panic! at the Disco || Alternative Press Music Awards – Fandom of the Year || {{nom}} |- || Emperor's New Clothes || Rock Sound Readers Poll – Video of the Year || {{won}} |- | rowspan="3"| 2016 || [[Emperor's New Clothes (song)|Emperor's New Clothes]] || Alternative Press Music Awards – Best Music Video || {{pending}} |- || [[Hallelujah (Panic! at the Disco song)|Hallelujah]] || Alternative Press Music Awards – Song of the Year || {{pending}} |- || Panic! at the Disco || Alternative Press Music Awards – Artist of the Year || {{pending}} {{End}}

2804:14D:5C35:99E8:309A:9BE7:3CD7:5A40 (talk) 00:00, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Done — JJMC89 (T·C) 01:51, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2016

I would like to add the now common pseudo-name for the band, "Brendon Urie at a Disco" to this article, as it is at this point ambiguous without such... GeoffryHindenburg (talk) 07:00, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Not done: — JJMC89 (T·C) 07:21, 13 April 2016 (UTC)