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Hello there - I never normally call another contributor's work out - but this is probably one of the worst efforts I have come across. Not only can no one grasp basic policy who has played a part in this - but I think a Dallas fansite has a better handle on this. First things first - WP:COMMONNAME is violated. This character is Rebecca Sutter not Barnes. She is best known as Sutter. All development information indicates that Sutter is her most common name. But the problem is whoever created the article could not be bothered to include all the vast amounts of information available for this notable character. There is a mountain of reception information out there. Countless cast interviews talinking about character development, storylines and characterisation. Plus the storyline section was in-universe. It told the story like a biography of a popstar. It should be in order of it happened on-screen. The character may have been shown as a small child, but we only knew this in 2012 - it should be addressed as so. Not making out that the official cannon was always apparent. And that goes for stories that have no part in Dallas cannon, it should be clearly addressed with a source that it was not part of it. I have removed all infromation referencing plot - if you think this is too bold then please make the relevant changes. I think it was a fitting response to a poor article about a fictional character.Rain the 1 02:27, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

AFD Merge: Rebecca Barnes Wentworth (Dallas) -> Rebecca Barnes

Please note, that through private communication with the closing administrator of the 13 January 2013 AfD request, it was deemed acceptable to merge to the list article List of Dallas characters, see the discussion at User talk:MBisanz/Archive 16#Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rebecca_Barnes_Wentworth_(Dallas) -- 76.65.128.43 (talk) 01:02, 25 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Name

Character is "Pamela Rebecca Barnes" per the official series website and is referred to on the show principally as "Pamela". - Dravecky (talk) 23:09, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Now she is. It used to be Rebecca Sutter, Rebecca Barnes now people say Pamela. You gather up results from searches, compare and contrast and determine WP:COMMONNAME. We do not move articles in accordance with the latest storyline in Dallas.Rain the 1 00:00, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have often thought the character was better served under Rebecca Sutter. I have not assessed the situation since the premiere of season two. I doubt it has changed drastically. The revival attracted much media attention and all reports referred to her as Rebecca Sutter and all interviews and websites featuring Julie or Rebecca did too.Rain the 1 00:05, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for Pamela:

'Dallas': Julie Gonzalo on Pamela's surprise wedding (and return to Southfork?) - Entertainment Weekly

John Ross and Pamela Rebecca Barnes form an unholy alliance to get revenge - Chicago Tribune

'Dallas' EP Cynthia Cidre teases a big moment for John Ross and Pamela - Entertainment Weekly

Rename.--Alrofficial (talk) 03:32, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rename The character's "real" name was revealed to be "Pamela Rebecca Barnes" at the end of season one with "Rebecca Sutter" merely an alias assumed while she was trying to con the Ewings. From that point forward, she has been consistently referred to as "Pamela" on the show, in stories about the character, and by the actress in interviews. - Dravecky (talk) 09:32, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Chu, Melody; Schwartz, Alison (August 11, 2012). "Julie Gonzalo Had to Keep Dallas Finale Bombshell a Secret". People. The label was also appropriate, given that the episode delivered the biggest bombshell yet to detonate on the TNT show – that Rebecca Barnes Ewing is actually Pamela Rebecca Barnes, as in the daughter of oil tycoon J.R. Ewing's original rival, Cliff Barnes.
- Tipping, Joy (February 5, 2013). "'Dallas' recap: J.R.'s still grinnin' and dealin', but John Ross shows signs of catching up to the master". The Dallas Morning News. Julie Gonzalo shows amazing range as an actress as Pamela Rebecca Barnes in the new season of "Dallas."
- Peppard, Alan (February 8, 2013). "Audrey Landers in town to reprise 'Dallas' role as Cliff Barnes' ex Afton Cooper". The Dallas Morning News. If you are following along at home, you know that Season 1 ended with the big reveal that Christopher Ewing's estranged wife, Rebecca Sutter, was actually Cliff's daughter, Pamela Rebecca Barnes, named for Bobby Ewing's first wife, Pamela Barnes Ewing.

You have only showed one side of the story. And you sound as though you are from Southfork and know her personally. She is a fictional character and has been known as one name longer than the other etc. Will take a look at this.Rain the 1 10:24, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The fact of the matter is that the end of the first season and in the beginning of the second season till her death, a character born Rebecca Sutter was introduced, shown on screen, and should be considered as a separate character. Though, the show canon does show Pamela Rebecca Barnes did legally change her name to Rebecca Sutter for period of approximately one year in the show universe. Thus, it was also her real character name as well for a period. For the first nine (9) episodes the character was Rebecca Sutter. There has since been sixteen (16) episodes to date since of the character as Pamela Rebecca Barnes. Though I am keeping this comment to maiden name and not even going to address the fact while Rebecca Sutter she married Christopher to be Rebecca Ewing and is now married to John Ross, possibly as Pamela Ewing. JDD4J4J the 1 15:12, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the explanation of the storyline. But please look at the character as a work of fiction. What name was the character credited under for what portion of time. What name did news sources use most frequently - factoring in the character's entire duration. Which is her entire duration, two editors above thought you can prove a point by selecting three sources using the name they would like the character to be named on here. There are countless sources for this notable character - but which name is used the most. Which is the most frequent from the real world perspective. Not the name Christopher and John Ross used to address her - because we do not care what they think, they are the fictional elements - the in universe aspects.Rain the 1 15:52, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved the article back. No could be bothered to offer up any sound reason - so I am not going to bother waiting any longer. You have to be cooperative. I think the general Wikipedia community would applaud me for being able to view a work of fiction from the real world perspective. Rather than spurting nonsense about how she has legally changed her name asif she was real. Or stating how many episodes she had what name in - rather than proving which name she is actually known by best.Rain the 1 21:39, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]