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Does anyone know what the source is of this statement on the page: "Palmyra is the only place in the world that has four churches on the four corners of two intersecting highways." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.195.169.98 (talk) 19:44, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted the half-paragraph about Charles Skinner's erroneous local history, and the other half of the paragraph correcting his error. If it is incorrect, let's just leave it out. DP, Chicago —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.159.111 (talk) 02:18, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mormon history

I removed several of the events because they did not happen in Palmyra. This article is about the town of Palmyra, not LDS history. Most LDS writers lump everything in the area as "Palmyra" when certain events did not happen there, so the assumption is incorrect and ignores the actual boundaries in New York. For one, the Hill Cumorah is located in Manchester, not Palmyra, so anything related to it, such as the Hill Cumorah Pageant and the Golden Plates should be in the Manchester article's history section, not here. The Smith's moved across the border to Manchester in 1825, an event that is clearly stated in Joseph Smith's own writing. You can call it picky, but it's still the reality. Outside of the First Vision and Moroni's appearances in 1823, most of the events happened elsewhere. I retained the publication of the Book of Mormon even though it was actually in the village of Palmyra, a distinct and separate entity from the town of Palmyra. The mention of the organization of the church in Fayette is a stretch but I kept it to retain some kind of flow. --JonRidinger (talk) 17:24, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved, partially. There's consensus that the town is not the primary topic and so will be moved to Palmyra (town), New York. However, there's no consensus on whether the village is the primary topic and so that article will remain at its current location. No prejudice against a new RM which solely focuses on whether the village is the primary topic (though it may be best to wait a while to see how the page views pan out). In the meantime, Palmyra, New York will redirect to Palmyra (disambiguation). As an aside, I really dislike the practice of having the disambiguation 'inside' the title, but I suppose an obscure talk page is not the place to get into that. Jenks24 (talk) 05:57, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

– I believe that the village is more notable than the town, as its population is more concentrated, and most of the attractions and history of the town are centered on the village. Powers ^T 01:43, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment How about:

Palmyra, New York → Palmyra, New York (town)

Palmyra (village), New York → Palmyra, New York (village)

The redirect from Palmyra, New York can go to the village. Apteva (talk) 02:28, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That would be a violation of WP:AT#Disambiguation. If the village is the primary topic, then it gets the base name, not a disambiguated one. Powers ^T 18:02, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It's tough because of the association with the Latter Day Saint movement, which has history in both the village and town, as well as the town of Manchester. I think most people think of the village, but in all honesty, I would say most people don't even realize the village and town are two separate entities. People from the eastern U.S. are generally familiar with the differences between villages/cities and towns/townships, but the rest of the country does not have an equivalent of a town/township. I do like putting "(town)" or "(village)" after the name like "Palmyra, New York (town)" instead of "Palmyra (town), New York". If I had to pick one, I'd say have "Palmyra, New York" be used for the village, based simply on the fact that all maps that say "Palmyra" are pointing at the village, not the town. I wouldn't use a redirect. --JonRidinger (talk) 14:36, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- The name would have to be "Palmyra (town), New York" per WP:USPLACE. – TMF (talk) 22:12, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thanks, I wasn't aware of that. Can't say I'm a big fan of the guideline, but I'll go along with it as long as it is consensus. In any case, I'd say "Palmyra, New York" should go the village. --JonRidinger (talk) 00:57, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Also One thing to consider is that some of the items on this talk page (my earlier post on Mormon history is the one I noticed) will need to be moved to the "town" article, wherever that ends up being. --JonRidinger (talk) 01:00, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Talk pages are always moved with their articles. Powers ^T 18:24, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: According to stats.grok.se, Palmyra, New York has been viewed significantly more often than Palmyra (village), New York (4,092 vs. 2,227 views during the last 3 months). But this is not very meaningful, because we don't know how many readers of the former were actually looking for the village. --RJFF (talk) 16:20, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Move.

Palmyra, New York → Palmyra (town), New York (leaving a redirect based on current page views. There is no general guideline for a village or town being the most important. So page views, while biased by the current location may be the best guidance at this time. But remember that a significant number of views are from article links, the number is difficult or impossible to determine. Note that Palmyra (disambiguation) and Palmyra exist so a redirect to the dab page is an option.

~~Palmyra (village), New York → Palmyra, New York (village)~~

Vegaswikian (talk) 19:56, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you propose moving the disambiguator to a nonstandard position? Powers ^T 21:09, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Stupidity? Vegaswikian (talk) 04:38, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't say that. It's been suggested before and so I wondered if there was a compelling reason for it. Powers ^T 13:48, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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