Talk:Palmarian Catholic Church/Archive 1

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NPOV

Is this article NPOV? Bo-Lingua —Preceding undated comment added 16:59, 12 April 2005 (UTC)

Hmm I'm not sure. I think they are a rather small group so non-biased sources might be difficult to come by. However the stuff about "they're so nuts" isn't as in this as in most things I've read on them and at the same time it doesn't seem propagandistic for them that I can tell. Might be the best possible for now. I have never worked on this article, but I'll look into it seeing if there's anything to be done.--T. Anthony 05:13, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Definitely not. "This canonically unapproved Order has claimed that Paul VI (who is still honoured by them as a martyr-pope) was kept imprisoned in the Vatican by evil conspiring cardinals." Consider it edited. Cjsk 14:44, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Surely we can do better than "heretical" as a description, at least. We might not be able to find neutral sources, but maybe we can tone down the words a little. Clsn (talk) 03:33, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Cathedral of Palmar de Troya

That's a nice picture. What does it have to do with the article? This cathedral isn't mentioned in the article at all. Does the PCC own this cathedral? If so, the article should explain how they got it -- this building looks expensive! Lawrence King 07:09, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I visited the cathedral in the 1980's with a 'follower' and the PCC were certainly using it. So I guess they built and own it. It looked very impressive but incongruous. It's appearance was bizarre as it was so large and yet set in isolation amidst rolling flattish farmlands... so looking as if it belonged in a large town or city. Maybe other buildings have appeared since. Has anyone got an update? AnotherPath (talk) 13:40, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Money laundering

I read sometime at Interviú (I read it for the articles, of course) about money laundering for foreign tax dodgers. --Error 17:19, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Palmarian Cathlics

I am in reguar contact with an actual follower of this faith. They have an amazing set of rules which makes me believe that they are more a cult than followers of God. Women aren't allowed to wear trousers only long skirts. men aren't allowed to wear shorts or short sleeves. If you do not avide by the "rules" they will turn you away form their doors and i know for a fact that this happens. so how do they follow the God who says "love one another as I have loved you" and by turning people away and lwaving them in spain on their own they did not as Jesus preached clothed or fed them. How can thay claim to be catholics but not live to the teachings of the new testemant? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.131.146.41 (talk) 21:05, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Most of the Catholic world, including most Traditionalist Catholics AFAIK, consider them to be a fringe movement. Their claims of a rival Papacy is mysticalist as they don't even claim priests elected Clemente. Clemente himself was something of a questionable character. Along with sexual transgressions he admitted to there are other allegations, albeit unconfirmed. As for how they can claim these things perhaps you could ask one you contacted. Essentially though people can claim anything they want. One proclaimed Pope, William Kamm, claimed that God wanted him to have "spiritual wives" who he'd have actual sex with. There is no record of any Pope in history having multiple wives, but he basically insisted that God felt there should be now.--T. Anthony 11:17, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, the Palmarians own this Cathedral, it is very large and expensive...and, from a DVD they sent me, they have at least 100 others, and many priests beyond the 50 bishops, many more...this leads us to suppose...2000 supporters? You must be joking! I've seen around 2000 in the cathedral and very few of the Latin Americans (the vast majority) were even in the same hemisphere at the time. –194.112.58.20 02:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

leader as 'antipope'

the article states that the leader of this group is considered an antipope by the RC Church, but the definition of antipope at the (Wikipedia) link provided denies it: "An antipope ... is a person who makes a widely accepted claim to be the lawful pope, in opposition to the pope recognized by the Roman Catholic Church. In the past antipopes were typically those supported by a fairly significant faction of cardinals. Persons who claim to be the pope but have few followers, such as the modern sedevacantist antipopes, are not generally counted as antipopes, and therefore are ignored for regnal numbering." Richardson mcphillips (talk) 14:54, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

What happened to those girls?

I want to know more about the girls who first saw Our Lady in the field. I can't even find their names (no doubt for privacy). It seems like they got shoved in a corner. Again and again on these Marian apparitions, someone says they saw something, then it gets taken over by other people and made into a circus. I bet you anything the bishop nixed those girls' claims because Dominguez had taken over and had brought divisiveness and trouble. It looked like there was never even a beginning of a formal investigation into the original reports before all the fuss started. I think the lesson to be learned here is if you see Our Lady, or think you see her, don't tell anybody. --Bluejay Young (talk) 21:25, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Category:Catholics not in communion with Rome vs, Category:Independent Catholic Churches

Category:Independent Catholic Churches is a category within Category:Catholics not in communion with Rome. — Robert Greer (talk) 09:58, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

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