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Merge of Golflands

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

To not merge; consistent objection and no support for the proposal; sufficient coverage. Klbrain (talk) 21:50, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I propose to merge Golflands into this article as it fails WP:NPLACE by not being an official suburb (it's a housing subdivision of Pakuranga) and fails GNG based on a search of Google News, Google Books, and Google Scholar, with only trivial passing mentions that just establish it is an area. Of the sources in the article very few even mention Golflands and those that do call it a subdivision and not a suburb.

@Gadfium @Prosperosity given you two both contributed the most to the article. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe there is enough coverage to pass GNG, and if it were to be merged, Pakuranga would be a poor article for it to be merged into (it's quite a distance away from Pakuranga - two suburbs in between Golflands and Pakuranga). I don't know if there is a logical article for Golflands to be merged into either. Prosperosity (talk) 21:33, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What sources do you think establish GNG? I tried searching for it and I get results for a Golflands in Australia before anything in New Zealand. I didn't find a single source that was more than a trivial mention of it. Traumnovelle (talk) 05:13, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's extensive sources in the Eastern Courier and the East and Bays Courier (not available in an easily searchable form online), The Times (e.g. [1][2]) and council documents (e.g. [3][4][5]), LINZ suburb locality data, it's also discussed in Auckland's Remarkable Urban Forest (2012). --Prosperosity (talk) 00:44, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The news reports are trivial routine coverage. The first Council document just states 'Golflands/Botany neighbourhood' which shows it isn't that distinct from Botany and also is not an officially recognised suburb (which is why they use the term neighbourhood). Not sure what the 70 page document is meant to show. The single page document listing places is based on how FENZ classify localities.

The LINZ link confuses me, I believe it's based off openstreetmap? It doesn't say where the data is from and shows places such as 'Vauxhall' and 'Cardinal West', I don't see why Auckland Council wouldn't have it included in their official map that they point ratepayers to nor would it be in the Gazetter if it were an official locality/suburb. Traumnovelle (talk) 05:40, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Prosperosity. Golflands is recognised by Statistics New Zealand as an SA3 (more significant than the SA2 it also is) and by the Post Office (it doesn't share the postcode with Pakuranga). Auckland doesn't have official suburbs - see Prosperosity's post at Talk:Manukau.-Gadfium (talk) 01:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Census tracts cannot establish notability. Traumnovelle (talk) 02:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Golflands is further east to Pakuranga than Burswood, which is classified as its own suburb. In any case, the proposed merge would be an extremely poor match. The closest feasible page you could merge it with would be Northpark or Botany Downs. But in totality, would agree with others here that Auckland does not have official designation for suburbs or localities which could be relied on to determine page notability. Golflands has enough recognition through council planning and general references throughout news coverage. As Prosperosity points out, lots of news sources in this area also not neccesarily accessible online. Donkeypeep (talk) 12:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Burswood isn't an actual suburb either. Mentions in planning documents is not the kind of coverage that can be used in Wikipedia nor trivial mentions in newspapers. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:23, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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