Talk:Pais Movement

This article was nominated for deletion on 17 October 2017. The result of the discussion was keep.

COI

This page has been almost exclusively written by a series of single purpose accounts It was started by User:Sebrina Miller (28 SPA edits) then User:Paulcgibbs (presumably the founder) (12 SPA edits): User:Samprescott (5 SPA edits): User:Writeeveryday (12 SPA edits) and User: Louise Driess (14 SPA edits)

A section on "controversy" was removed by a single edit IP in this edit

Finally User:JaneWhittaker ⋅(27 SPA edits) over wrote the entire article with a copy paste from User:JaneWhittaker/sandbox despite being advised that "To be accepted, this needs better third-party coverage"

I have removed a large, highly promotional, section entitled "Recomendations"(sic) but the remaining article is written from just one persons perspective, not a neutral point of view - Arjayay (talk) 10:19, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sources are a nearly all first-party and/or dead links

I've just done some copy editing of this article and have had a quick audit of the references

Out of the 16 sources, 9 are from Pais-run websites, or archives of them.

One is a dead link to a book (Mark Riley: The Adventure of Mission), which is self-published by Pais. Mark Riley works for Pais Ireland (https://www.marknathanriley.com/?page_id=714)

Of the remaining 6, three are 404 dead links (https://www.fulfillurministry.org/organization/pais-movement, https://www.creonline.co.uk/news/mission-pick-up-the-pais-of-change/, https://conference.point-of-rental.com/speakers/paul-gibbs/).

Of the remaining 3, two aren't related to the claims they are backing up:

- https://issuu.com/assembliesofgod/docs/comission2016 CoMission 2016 has a short article on Pais and its founder Paul Gibbs, but does not mention any info (that I can see?) to do with the claim in the article that "In 2000, Gibbs became the Senior Minister at the faith works in Failsworth, Oldham, a church that partnered with The Message Trust and planted the Eden Project, an award-winning community endeavor."

- Canadian Rental Service "Point of Rental® Software Offers Continued Training" - Source just merely says that Gibbs spoke once at a conference - no other information about Pais or Gibbs is given

Final source could be reasonable - archive of Gibbs' publishers bio page about him. The publisher is still financially connected to Pais, but in this instance I would say its fine.

I'm relatively new to editing so would like a second opinion on what to do in this scenario. WP:INDY implies that most of the sources on this article should be treated as non-independent. Seeing as most of the sources are either missing, first-party, or irrelevant, should this page be re-written completely? Should this page be marked as non-notable or possible delete? It's worth noting (as @Arjayay pointed out in 2015) that this article was made by multiple single purpose accounts, including a user called Paulcgibbs, who is presumably Paul Gibbs, founder of Pais. Bugghost (talk) 12:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, this page lacks both sources of quality and notability. Phoebe-Dianarin-Livasek (talk) 21:46, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

please remove

this guy is not on planet earth. with all the wars going on ....he has nothing to say 2A02:C7C:5F72:ED00:5415:7685:744B:3160 (talk) 03:03, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]