Talk:Pacific International University

This article was nominated for deletion on 2007-09-03. The result of the discussion was keep.

Of course the school says it is as good as any accredited institution, it would be remarkable if it didn't. On the other hand, it is clearly selling degrees so fits the definition. - Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] 09:52, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Clear to you, maybe. What does that mean, though? We are editors to an encyclopedia, so save the judgment and try and be an even-handed reporter. --Turkmen 09:54, 2 February 2006 (UTC)This user now indefinitely blocked as a sockpuppet[reply]

Even handed? They are connected to group that sold accreditation for $100.00, they have no campus, the President has no degrees from any accredited schools, and they sell doctorates in a lump sum. Arbustoo 10:32, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

History, course offerings, response to non-accreditation

92.80.53.229 (talk) 18:56, 10 July 2012 (UTC) Queensland Christian College, later called Pacific College of Graduate Studies (PCGS), was established in Queensland, Australia, and then moved to the area of greater Melbourne in 1980, operating in cooperation with Kingsley College (KC), (http://www.kingsley.edu.au/). The College was established specifically to facilitate Australian missionaries continuing their studies on the field without long residency requirements – a standard practice now but quite radical in the 1980s. Facilities for administrative offices on the campus of KC were designated for use by PCGS. The two schools shared a campus, a library and a number of the faculty taught for both schools. This cooperative effort benefited both institutions assisting them to meet the qualifications for accreditation of the PCGS MA and PhD degrees by the Australian Board of Education beginning in 1993. Throughout the period of Wilson’s leadership careful monitoring of work was maintained. However, at the end of 1994 the Victorian Government set new regulations such that accreditation could not be renewed at that time. Through 1995-1997 the Pacific leadership sought ways to restore accreditation status, and there was evidence that this was a distinct possibility. Meanwhile they sought legal status in the state of Missouri as a means of continuing operations while accreditation options were sought. In late 1997 Dr. Wilson suffered a stroke and without his formative leadership the board of the PIU recognized the end of the PCGS/PIU was likely. In 1998 Australian Federal regulations for Higher Education changed such that Pacific had to cease operations completely, and following carefully prescribed procedure, over a period of time required to honorably matriculate students involved, PCGS/PIU concluded the academic procedures and closed their doors in Australia. Unfortunately the Missouri license was continued, and in the name of Pacific International University the new leadership failed to continue the more diligent processes kept by Wilson and PIU devolved into a diploma mill. 92.80.53.229 (talk) 18:56, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

PIU offers courses in the Old Testament, New Testament, theology, church ministries, cults, missiology, philosophy, and many other subjects. They also offer the following degrees: B.D., B.Th., M.Div., M.Th., and doctoral degrees in Divinity and Theology.

The university has no accreditation. However, it says, "Our own conviction is that the standard of our courses and the quality of our graduates (many of whom are now in world-wide Christian leadership) are at least as important as any form of 'accreditation'."[1]

--Turkmen 09:54, 2 February 2006 (UTC)This user now indefinitely blocked as a sockpuppet[reply]

That's all well and good about them not wanting accreditation. It's not okay for you to use sock puppets and delete facts. Arbustoo 10:30, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not authorized by the State of Missouri, either.

In addition to its complete lack of accreditation, Pacific International University is not recognized nor authorized by the Department of Higher Education of the State of Missouri.

See: http://www.dhe.mo.gov/completeinstlist.shtml

Go ahead. Search it to your heart's content. PIU isn't listed. Several other Christian colleges are (which would tend to indicate that the State of Missouri can't be accused of bias) as are several other correspondence colleges, but PIU is conspicuous in its absence.

RWAnderson72 04:43, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it was included, but vandalized by another user. Arbustoo 23:14, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References

Pacific International University no longer exists. Therefore, I think that the references to it are unneeded and inappropriated. Please consider deleting them. Thank You, Realjack—Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.130.231.105 (talk • contribs)

Whether or not it still exists, references are needed to verify information in the article, and establish notability. Someguy1221 02:07, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pacific International University no longer exists, therefore I would suggest that all references to it be deleted. You may verify that it has gone out of business by simply visiting the website. Dr. Baugh and Dr. Wilson are no longer affiliated with the institution. PIU has ceased to exist, so continuous negative attacks on the institution or the men seem outdated and waste the time of the reader.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.130.231.105 (talk • contribs)

"PIU has ceased to exist, so continous [sic] negative attacks on the institution or the men seem outdated and waste the time of the reader." Quite the contrary. Its graduates, and at least one former President, still tout their education there among their credentials. So the status of the school (or lack thereof) is still QUITE relevant to public discourse, whatever sockpuppets and unsigned users might think.--Digthepast (talk) 13:26, 13 March 2010 (UTC)--[reply]

PIU had quite a number of graduates, so information about the institution is still necessary. While I'm here, there was an incorrect statement that PIU sold degrees. The degrees were earned, although some of the requirements were probably "lighter" that those of recognized schools, and the degrees have become nearly worthless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.149.73.158 (talk) 10:00, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 01:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]