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PJ vs. Paris Jones

This article was recently moved from PJ (musician) to Paris Jones (musician). Under our guideline WP:COMMONNAME, we should go by whatever she is most commonly known by... and as PJ is her professional working name, that is likely to be the right one (just as Madonna Louise Ciccone is found at Madonna (entertainer), Beyoncé Giselle Knowles-Carter is at Beyoncé, and Cordozar Calvin Broadus, Jr. is at Snoop Dogg.

Given that, is there any objection to me moving it back? --Nat Gertler (talk) 01:00, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I object. Although, as an artist, "PJ" is widely known, she's also a songwriter who is mostly credited as "Paris Jones". I see fit to uphold her page as Paris Jones & those are her wishes as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.167.40.2 (talk) 17:46, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Every source this article uses, even the one specifically about her as a songwriter, refers to her as PJ. The one source that leads with her full name immediately says specifically that she is better known as PJ. So can you make any argument under our WP:COMMONNAME guideline that this should not be PJ (musician). (Please note that the wishes of the subject does not control this page. There are appropriate places for her to control her information, such as Linked In; Wikipedia has different goals.) If she wishes to lead with her full name elsewhere and that eventually becomes her common name (much as, say, the wrestler known as The Rock switched to being Dwayne Johnson), then that would be the time that it would be appropriate to move the article. --Nat Gertler (talk) 18:41, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

When she's credited on officially released projects, she's credited as Paris Jones, not PJ. Most of the interviews linked are done with her promoting her music as an artist. If the page moves back to PJ, can it be 'PJ' & not 'PJ (Musician)'? -(talk) 13:03, 3 November 2016

It is a sometimes unfortunate truth that performers get a lot more attention than writers working in the same medium, but Wikipedia will tend to take the name used in interviews and such as the common name, rather than something used in more technical/database listings, for which credits qualify.

The problem with making her page simply PJ, is that there already is a page by that name. PJ is what we call a disambiguation page, meant to help someone who comes looking for "PJ" to find the PJ that they want - whether it's P.J. (film), PJ Media, lingerie manufacturer Peach John (which uses PJ as a logo), etc. In order for her to take over that page, it would basically have to be shown that most of the people coming to Wikipedia to look for "PJ" were looking for her. However, if we moved this page back to PJ (musician), we could also set up a redirect at Paris Jones, which means that anyone who typed Paris Jones into the Wikipedia search field would be taken automatically to this page, and if someone were to be, say, editing a page about a song she wrote, and marked the songwriter name to be a link, that link would take them right to this page. (Note that it would not have to even be Paris Jones (musician), because there is no other Paris Jones here on Wikipedia.) And the first sentence of the article will still start with her full name as it does now. Does that all sound reasonable to you? --Nat Gertler (talk) 21:43, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Having no response for over a month, if I do not hear an appropriate counterargument with a few days, I will arrange the move. (Things have gotten more complicated as there is now another musician named Paris Jones with a Wikipedia page: Paris Jones (hip hop musician).) --Nat Gertler (talk) 04:01, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm ok with the move back to PJ (Musician). It makes more sense. Thanks for explaining it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.167.40.2 (talk) 23:46, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 23 March 2018

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The result of the move request was: move to PJ (singer) and Paris Jones (male singer). (closed by page mover) feminist (talk) 17:08, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Paris Jones (musician) → ?
Paris Jones (Musical Artist) → ?

– Two American musicians with the same name. They could be disambiguated by genre, year of birth, real name, made-up name, etc. Not sure. Jc86035 (talk) 11:51, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Both born 1990. (female singer) and (male singer) would probably be the most sensible distinction. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:26, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support Paris Jones (musician) → Paris Jones (female singer) and Paris Jones (Musical Artist) → Paris Jones (male singer) as per In ictu oculi. –Davey2010^Talk 14:17, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Davey2010 and In ictu oculi: Neither of them are primarily singers, so perhaps "male/female musician" would be better? On the other hand, it seems like the woman's article could be titled PJ (musician) instead (I find the songwriting credit argument in the above section unconvincing, since songwriters seem to be usually credited under their full name regardless of their personal preference). Jc86035 (talk) 16:41, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, move to PJ (musician) as discussed in above section. I forget what happened, must've gotten too busy to take care of it... and am too busy now to handle it myself. Other Paris Jones should have a "for the female songwriter Paris Jones, see PJ (musician)" on it. --Nat Gertler (talk) 17:06, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

They are both singers. Okay so move this one back to PJ, but to PJ (singer), since PJ (drummer) is a redirect but known in books. And the other one to Paris Jones (male singer) In ictu oculi (talk) 17:16, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed with above - Support PJ (singer) and Paris Jones (male singer)' thanks, ####

Oppose to be clear then, instead move to PJ (singer) and Paris Jones (male singer) In ictu oculi (talk) 17:20, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Move to PJ (singer) and Paris Jones (male singer), respectively, per Ictu above. It seems the female singer is more commonly known as PJ. "Paris Jones (musician)" would then redirect to the dab page. Paintspot Infez (talk) 21:50, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Paintspot and In ictu oculi: Is it necessary to use "male singer" if the woman becomes "PJ (singer)"? Afterwards there will only be one article containing "Paris Jones" in its title so it could probably be titled without a disambiguator, with a hatnote linking to the woman's page. Jc86035 (talk) 10:25, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Jc86035: Oh, um, "Paris Jones (singer)" would probably also redirect to the disambiguation page. Paintspot Infez (talk) 00:17, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support alternative PJ (singer) and Paris Jones (male singer), and Paris Jones (singer) redirected to the DAB. Andrewa (talk) 21:52, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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