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Reviewer: Miyagawa (talk) 20:44, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be reviewing this article. I'll give it a read through now and add any queries or points below. If theres anything simple to fix I'll do it myself, but if I inadvertently change the meaning of something without realising it, then please feel free to revert it. Miyagawa (talk) 20:44, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Plot: "Walter (John Noble) and Olivia (Anna Torv) discover that Peter (Joshua Jackson) has agreed to go back with his real father, "Walternate" (Noble), back to his own dimension." - any chance of rewording to prevent the repeat of "back"?
"Olivia goes to the typewriter communication station to await orders and is revealed to be Fauxlivia infiltrating our side." - I would say that it would be better worded to say that she was revealed to be Fauxlivia by going to the typewriter communication station.

Production: "a little bit more playful... When [Anna] first showed up on set in this different guise, she had really embodied this other character in a very playful and sexy way. She turned a lot of heads". - MOS requires that the relevant citation needs to immediately follow the quote.
"like such a doofus holding a gun," - same again.
"faced a bit of hatred" - and again. I'll stop listing them as theres a couple more and just ask that you check the rest of the article for quotes and add direct citations. You just need to add them to the end of the sentence that the quote is in - in some places its a sentence or two later.

Other than that, I have no further issues. It's mainly just the referencing for the quotes. Good job. Miyagawa (talk) 21:29, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the review. I have edited the article per your suggestions. Please let me know if there is anything else the article might need. Thanks, Ruby2010 talk 21:49, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the quick review, happy to mark this one up as a GA now. Good job! Miyagawa (talk) 22:06, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Copyedit May 2011

Hi

During the copyedit a few things came to light which may need attention:

Part one

*"Walternate is seen leaving with the" - leaving where?

Changed to "Walternate is seen in the room housing the device Peter will be a part of and leaves with its final component."Chaosdruid (talk) 12:22, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Part two

*"claiming that it can help heal the other world." - really? I thought he claimed it could heal both (I will download it again to watch it and check). Also when using terms to describe the opposite of where they are such as "the other world" it really needs to say where the are, or use "our reality/the Other side" etc.

I'll rewatch the finale and verify the above. Thanks for noting them Ruby2010 comment! 02:53, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On a repeat viewing, Walternate leaves the room they are keeping the doomsday device, but I don't think this is important enough. I can try to rephrase the sentence and add it if you think it's necessary :) Ruby2010 comment! 03:53, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

09:00-09:05 "...applied to heal the problems of this world, of your world..." - so it was both, phew I got that right at least lol :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 12:22, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~;Production~~

~~"executive producers and showrunners" - showrunners is too ambiguous, as there is a title "runner" used in credits, as well as poor grammar.~~

I removed showrunners entirely. Is that acceptable? Ruby2010 comment! 02:53, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but I was trying more to think what could be substituted instead, it turns out I needed educating though, as per the page Showrunners lol...would you mind restoring the text and linking it to the showrunners article if you like, over here in the UK we don't really use that term (yet I suppose), so my apologies for that. Chaosdruid (talk) 03:30, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No worries! I restored it to just say showrunners (and not exec. producers) Ruby2010 comment! 03:53, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~;Writing and filming~~

~~"For the finale Jeff Pinkner and J. H. Wyman brought back the" - This was in part one, not part two?~~

Are you saying I should more specifically say part one, or is it alright unchanged? Ruby2010 comment! 02:53, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I thought I had just removed the "For the finale" bit... yup, I did, my mistake sorry - it now reads:

Pinkner and Wyman brought back the "Cortexiphan kids", Chaosdruid (talk) 03:30, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Chaosdruid (talk) 02:22, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the copy edit. I hope it is now (or nearly) at FA's standards. Thanks again, Ruby2010 comment! 02:53, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about those "corrections" that were not needed, my mistake entirely. It has been a long day lol so I am off for the night now, best wishes for the FA! Chaosdruid (talk) 03:30, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No problem at all! Thanks again for looking it over Ruby2010 comment! 03:53, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about the gap, I fell asleep on the couch watching them lol. I think that's pretty much fixed all of the issues I had with it, I just hope it succeeds FA now - as you can see I am a bit of a fan myself :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 12:22, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I hope it makes it to FA too. :) It's such an amazing show. Can't wait for the finale! Ruby2010 comment! 16:22, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the "Production" chapter

Didn't anyone notice the colour scheme of the title sequence? Reddish instead of blueish? Vandenzel (talk) 00:27, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, but these were not the first to use the red titles. I think the first was S03E03 (hence people referring to them as the red and blue universes since then). Take a look here I know it may be a public contribution, so not a ref, but it is fairly comprehensive about the red and blue parts. Chaosdruid (talk) 01:19, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And this is S02E22-23. Seems to me more first than S03E03. Vandenzel (talk) 12:33, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Doh! sorry, got my wires crossed there, the link was referring to S03E03, I was trying to show that these were not the only ones. I will have to look further into it, though I suppose watching them online will be the only way to see which were the first. We still cannot use it though as it would be WP:OR unfortunately. Maybe we will be lucky and I can find a reliable source ... Chaosdruid (talk) 17:18, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the notice Vandenzel! At least two of the cited refs ([1] [2]) took notice of the red credits. The question is are they important enough to add into the article? Thoughts? Ruby2010 comment! 18:08, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, as the title screens and the dots are a big part of the series' mystery factor, it would seem prudent to mention it. If they were the first to introduce the red titles I would give it a separate paragraph. If another was the first, I would say that it should be mentioned in passing - probably just a sentence that the red titles are indicating to the viewer which reality the episode was going to focus on.

The EW article says they are new, that is good enough for me for now. Though it says "blood red for danger" I think some expansion on that would be necessary as they do seem to be used solely when an episode is based in the Fralternate universe.

I also found this youtube vid that show them side by side for comparison [3]Chaosdruid (talk) 01:44, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't forgotten, I only have access to around 66% of the first two series at present, will update tomorrow. Chaosdruid (talk) 05:29, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I have watched all of S01 and S02 and S03E01-S03E10:

S02E10 has the first hint of the redness. The opening shot is of a bell being struck, followed by a panoramic motion shot zooming in towards the twin towers - revealing it is the alternate universe. That whole 1 second sequence is all in a red wash, as if we are watching from behind red glass. The titles are in blue though. Walter's brain parts are being pulled out of peoples heads. When he is being interrogated by the brain doctor, the pieces of his brain that were removed by Bell are in large glass jars all in a red wash.

S02E16 titles are blue, but completely different typeface and music (almost electro-pop-rock, similar to Law and Order style, very staccato). S02E20 is also strange, everyone in 40s private eye/detective clothing.

S02E22 is indeed the first red title sequence, repeated in S02E23.

Other red titles: S03E01, S03E03, S03E05, S03E07, S03E08

So that confirms the source. There was one I read that said they alternated (sic) between evens in blue and odds in red, but that is not correct. Chaosdruid (talk) 05:25, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Sally Clark, the pyrokinetic.

In the plot for Part 1, it states: "They form a plan that takes advantage of Olivia's universe-hopping ability, and recruit three other Cortexiphan test subjects who have unique abilities: Nick Lane (David Call), Sally Clark (Pascale Hutton), and James Heath (Omar Metwally), two of whom appeared in previous episodes."

While Sally Clark (played by Pascale Hutton) wasn't previously on the show, the season 1 episode "The Road Not Taken" involved twin sisters who were pyrokinetics (both played by Jennifer Ferrin.) I have been marathoning all of the seasons of Fringe over the last few days, and I believe that Sally Clark was intended to be the surviving twin from the season 1 episode, as is evinced by the way she greets Olivia. Plus, at that point, I think they have only encountered three other Cortixiphan children that survived besides Olivia: Nick Lane, James Heath, and the pyrokinetic.

Should mention be made of the link to the first season episode? Presumably it was a continuity goof.

68.97.202.205 (talk) 21:56, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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