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Imitation Mehter bands in the West: Shriners bands

Just adding a link here to the Gizeh Temple Band of the Shriners in British Columbia, which is an imitation janissary band compleat with Turkish and Arabic instruments; there are a few of these in Vancouver, Victoria, Osoyoos-Oliver and in neighbouring Edmonton, Alberta, where it's styled an "Oriental Band". I've heard real Mehter after years of hearing the Shriners do their thing, and my musical ear tells me that they've done their research and actually use Mehter material; not sure about that but I'll find out what I can and maybe come back. Mock-Islamic culture, maybe, but like the Janissary music of Beethoven and Mozart it may deserve mention in the article here. By the look of the history given on their website, it appears that the concept was originated in BC, although I know these guys have performed at Shriners' conventions throughout North America.Skookum1 07:31, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Which CD?

I am working on cleaning up problematic ISBNs. This reference was in this article: *Mehter Marşları CD, Özmüziksan sanayi ISBN {{Please check ISBN|8695428006677}} If this is a CD, it will not have an ISBN. Without more information, I am not certain which CD this reference is referring to. I will select one from WorldCat, and cite it with an OCLC number. Kind Regards, Keesiewonder 22:40, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Official name, Mehterhane-i Hakani

The official name of the Mehter band, is Mehterhane-i Hakani, The Hakans (ruler/royal) house of Mehter, I think it should be included. --86.138.237.222 16:20, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Examples from Mehteran

I thing we should put some examples of Mehteran. There are lots of examples in Internet. In Turkish wikipedia, I've found this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/tr/3/3d/Mehter.ogg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.161.23.158 (talk) 22:27, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Camille Saint-Saëns

His Samson and Delila sounds a lot like one of the Mehter melodies that I heard at the military museum in Istanbul.Vinzklorthos (talk) 01:31, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

It is suggested that Mehteran be merged into this one, as articles seem to cover the same subject. Moonraker12 (talk) 11:15, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

They are, though "Ottoman military band" is not the most common usage; in English it's either Janissary band or Mehter band.Skookum1 (talk) 03:43, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support merge - These are clearly about the exact same subject. Ithinkicahn (talk) 02:44, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support merge, and concur with Skookum1, a title with Mehter in it would be better. I have never met (and I have been around) an english speaker (Brit, Yank, Cdn etc) (nor a German for that matter) who ever heard of this subject, so I cannot say what would be the most recognisable term in english. All things considered, this is a very nice article. My compliments to the editors. Önce Vatan Tjlynnjr (talk) 05:30, 21 March 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Oppose Although contexts are similiar, these two represent different periods of Ottoman military music. Mehteran is a unique organization formed by Janisarries. With the dissolution of janissary class in 1826, Mehteran came to an end. But Ottoman Military Band kept on with more European style. Ottoman Military Band covers Mehteran as a permenant position through state history. --Kafkasmurat (talk) 22:00, 24 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Re: User:Kafkasmurats comment above. You are absolutely correct my brother and I understand you. Most people I have met do not know the difference however, (excepting Turks). However, these two articles appear to be on the same subject to me. Perhaps if they were merged and there were sections about Mehterân period, Euro-Çağdaș period and Mehterân revival with current Turk military music period; all will be enlightened. Since 1975 Mehter would be the term I am most familiar with. You may email me at my page, Türkce is OK. Ben bir Türk eniștiğim Elhamdülillah. Selamlar Tjlynnjr (talk) 04:14, 25 August 2014 (UTC) .[reply]

Hi Tjlynnjr, nice to meet you. You mean enişte, right? You can also e-mail me about anything Turkish, as i'm a Turkologist. Your suggestion looks optimal. But Mehteran is a proper noun. People searching with that name should be able to find it. Compressing it to a section may be hard for searchers. Also, these two articles entirely consist of Mehteran, Ottoman Military Band may be undersized with these. I'm afraid, wider concept of Mehteran, military band will melt in the subject. --Kafkasmurat (talk) 08:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Kafkasmurat: Yes brother I am enişte. Your comments are very good. Perhaps we should proceed slowly here. Soon I will email you. Önce Vatan Tjlynnjr (talk) 11:18, 1 September 2014 (UTC) .[reply]

Support merge, despite the comments of the subject experts above. My reading of the current page on Ottoman military bands is that it mostly contains information on the pre-1826 bands, with very little on the modern form. So, merging in Mehteran won't dilute/bias the content any more than it is already weighted towards the (arguably most important) pre-1826 bands. Having them together (with a redirect from Mehteran of course) would help readers contextualise this interesting topic (which was indeed new to me). Klbrain (talk) 21:18, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merge idea

See also: Talk:Mehteran. --141.196.204.248

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"Ceddin Deden"

Though zahoora band played a variety of frontier marches, Ceddin deden is one of the best known.

Lyrics

Ceddin, deden, neslin, baban;

Hep kahraman Türk milleti.

Orduların, pek çok zaman, vermiştiler dünyaya şan.

Türk milleti!, Türk milleti!;

Aşk ile sev milliyeti,

Kahret vatan düşmanını, çeksin o mel'un zilleti.

which can be translated in English as:

[Look at] your ancestors, your grandfather, your descendants, your father

The Turkish nation has always been valiant.

Your armies, many times, have been renowned throughout the world.

Turkish nation, [O] Turkish nation!

Love [your] nationality passionately,

Overwhelm the enemies of your motherland, those cursed ones shall taste abasement.

which can be translated in Chinese as:

《吾祖千秋（奥斯曼军歌）》

吾祖千秋，延绵万代

敕勒健儿功盖世

踏征尘，破寇虏，罄史册，传天下

阿史那之苗裔兮

忠之大者社稷也

卫家园，攘寇虏，由饮败，不胜苦

卫家园，攘寇虏，由饮败，不胜苦 — Preceding unsigned comment added by BnaiBrithChai (talk • contribs) 20:09, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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