Talk:Ottoman–Persian War (1775–1776)

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Sources for this war

So far:

State and Provincial Society in the Ottoman Empire: Mosul, 1540-1834, by Dina Rizk Khoury, [1]:States war lasted from 1775-1776. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:15, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Persian relative victory

OttomanWarrior1299, you can use this paragraph to discuss this matter, but keep in mind that if you say again that i "vandalize the article", i'll find an admin to step in and make sure you stop, right ? Regards.---Wikaviani (talk) 22:36, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Date

The date of this war (1775-1776) doesn’t make any sense. The Ottomans declared war against Iran in 1776 when, according to this article, the war supposedly ended. Furthermore the Ottomans fought two battles against Iran in 1777 in Sine and Bane in response to the seizure of Basra by the Zands. According to various sources the war ended in 1779 which makes more sense than 1776 which is contradicted by the declaration of war against Iran by the Ottomans the same year of the "end" of this war according to this pages date.

• “1776 April: Loss of Basra to Iran. 2 May: Ottomans declare war on Iran.”^[1]

• Translated from Turkish (using google translate): "Following the Şeyhülislam fatwa, which had to be duly taken, war was declared against Iran in 1776"^[2]

• “The destructive Ottoman-Persian War (1775-1779)”^[3]

• “Ottoman-Persian War(1775-1779)”^[4]

• Translated from Turkish (using google translate): "Between 1775 and 1779, war was fought with Iran. Basra was recaptured as a result of this war"^[5]

• Translated from Turkish (using google translate): "When the Ottoman-Persian War of 1775-1779 ended" ^[6] Kabz15 (talk)

"Thus as late as 1775, Persian armies began a siege of Basra which eventually resulted in a three-year occupation of the town." --The Politics of Regional Trade in Iraq, Arabia, and the Gulf, 1745-1900, Hala Mundhir Fattah, page 34.

The sentence before this one(not quoted), gives the impression this move was against the Ottoman Empire.

"Once he[Kerim Han] controlled Iran he pursued an aggressive policy against the Ottomans , raiding into eastern Anatolia (March 1774 , March 1775) and then attempting to mix into internecine Mamluk politics in Iraq by capturing Basra (April 1776)" --History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey: Volume 1, Stanford J. Shaw, page 254.

Were the Mamluks in control of Basra during this time? Kansas Bear (talk) 17:08, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the Mamluks were governors and in 1776 the Ottomans replaced the governor with another Mamluk by the name of Abdullah Pasha. The reason I started this discussion is because I think that this page should be renamed to Ottoman-Persian War (1775-1779) and cover the conflicts following the Persian seizure of Basra. Or perhaps another page should be created named Ottoman-Persian War (1776-1779)^[7]^[8]^[9] which would cover the Ottoman fatwa and declaration of war against the Persians in 1776, the battles at Sine and Bane and the recapture of Basra by Ottoman forces in 1779. Kabz15 (talk)

I could see 1776-1779. Should probably include the raids(March 1774 , March 1775), and any other Zand military campaigns leading up to the siege of Basra in 1775-1776. Kansas Bear (talk) 20:36, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Somel, Selcuk Aksin. The A to Z of the Ottoman Empire. Scarecrow Press, 2010.
^ Page 75: Abdurrahman, A. T. E. Ş. "XVIII. YY’IN İKİNCİ YARISINDA OSMANLI-İRAN İLİŞKİLERİ." Sosyal Bilimler Dergisi 10, no. 3 (2008): 66.
^ Harrison, Robert T.. Britain in the Middle East: 1619-1971. Bloomsbury Academic, 2016.
^ Starkey, Janet. The Scottish Enlightenment Abroad: The Russells of Braidshaw in Aleppo and on the Coast of Coromandel. Brill, 2018.
^ Page 1: CAN, YARD DOÇ DR SELMAN, ÖDEVİ HAZIRLAYAN, and ERMAN GEZ. "ÜSKÜDAR BEYLERBEYİ (HAMİD-İ EVVEL) CAMİİ."
^ Page 153: Türker, Özgür, and Abdolvahid Soofizadeh. "Gürcistan'ın Rus himayesine girmesi ve sonuçları: Georgiyevsk Antlaşması'ndan Ağa Muhammed Han'ın Tiflis seferi'ne." (2015).
^ Mikaberidze, Alexander. Conflict and Conquest in the Islamic World: A Historical Encyclopedia. ABC-CLIO, 2011.
^ Kumral, Mehmet Akif. Exploring Emotions in Turkey-Iran Relations: Affective Politics of Partnership and Rivalry. Springer International Publishing, 2020.
^ Page 928 and Page 1804: Middle East Conflicts from Ancient Egypt to the 21st Century: An Encyclopedia and Document Collection [4 Volumes]. ABC-CLIO, 2019.

[1] Somel, Selcuk Aksin. The A to Z of the Ottoman Empire. Scarecrow Press, 2010.

[2] Page 75: Abdurrahman, A. T. E. Ş. "XVIII. YY’IN İKİNCİ YARISINDA OSMANLI-İRAN İLİŞKİLERİ." Sosyal Bilimler Dergisi 10, no. 3 (2008): 66.

[3] Harrison, Robert T.. Britain in the Middle East: 1619-1971. Bloomsbury Academic, 2016.

[4] Starkey, Janet. The Scottish Enlightenment Abroad: The Russells of Braidshaw in Aleppo and on the Coast of Coromandel. Brill, 2018.

[5] Page 1: CAN, YARD DOÇ DR SELMAN, ÖDEVİ HAZIRLAYAN, and ERMAN GEZ. "ÜSKÜDAR BEYLERBEYİ (HAMİD-İ EVVEL) CAMİİ."

[6] Page 153: Türker, Özgür, and Abdolvahid Soofizadeh. "Gürcistan'ın Rus himayesine girmesi ve sonuçları: Georgiyevsk Antlaşması'ndan Ağa Muhammed Han'ın Tiflis seferi'ne." (2015).

[7] Mikaberidze, Alexander. Conflict and Conquest in the Islamic World: A Historical Encyclopedia. ABC-CLIO, 2011.

[8] Kumral, Mehmet Akif. Exploring Emotions in Turkey-Iran Relations: Affective Politics of Partnership and Rivalry. Springer International Publishing, 2020.

[9] Page 928 and Page 1804: Middle East Conflicts from Ancient Egypt to the 21st Century: An Encyclopedia and Document Collection [4 Volumes]. ABC-CLIO, 2019.

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