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Merge proposal

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 18:15, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am proposing that Ottawa Fury and Ottawa Fury FC articles become merged into the same article at Ottawa Fury FC. Personally, I consider the new NASL team to be an expansion of the USL club and I think that they should come under the same article. Here are some reasons why:

  • They use the same building for administration
  • They have the same owner
  • They have a very similar name (FC was introduced to bring it inline with other Canadian soccer/football clubs).

or has a precedent been set when the Portland Timbers and Seattle Sounders moved to a modern professional league?

TheBigJagielka (talk) 13:34, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Opposed as the remainder of the club is known as Ottawa Fury SC (soccer club). If it can be shown that "FC" is the senior men's team of the Soccer Club, then we should keep them separate. If it can be shown that moving forward the club (and company) is re-branding itself as FC then we should merge.
I disagree that this is the same situation as Portland and Seattle (and Vancouver) because they moved to the MLS which has a different ownership model. I can't comment on Tampa Bay since I don't know if they have a different ownership than the (original) NASL team did. This latter one may be more like the New York Cosmos. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:25, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Opposed for now. For me it's a time thing. Let the 2 pages run for the 2013 and probably 2014 seasons as we see how the two club are managed. Ottawa Fury's NASL team hasn't even signed a player yet. Logo? Give it some time. --Coppercanuck (talk) 01:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question: Is the PDL team actually being discontinued in favor of the NASL team? I can't quite tell from any of the sources on either article or from the team websites. Because if the PDL team is being kept, (as a reserve squad or not,) then I think the pages should definitely remain separate (although renaming and redirects would be in order). CyMoahk (talk) 20:53, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. It's silly to maintain separate articles on teams when they're just switching leagues. It's bad enough it's done for the MLS teams, but these poorly cited articles on lower-level teams are even worse. However, I recommend merging the NASL material into the PDL article with just a blurb at the bottom. If and when the switch occurs we can move the article then.--Cúchullain t/c 20:28, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Do they use the same building for administration? Yes. Same owner? Yes. Similar name? Yes. Is it the same franchise? NO. So this page should not be merged, regardless of whether or not the PDL team will be kept, and my guess is they won't be kept. It doesn't matter though, it's not the same franchise, so it should not be moved. – Michael (talk) 20:51, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't believe that NASL uses the same franchise model as MLS. Can you support the statement that this is even a franchise? Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:22, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Same team, just like when Vancouver Whitecaps made the switch they still promoted the Cap's being around since 1979 although they only were brought into the league in 2009(?). If we had promotion and relegation then it wouldn't be an issue, but because the only way to be promoted in the soccer level pyramid is through expansion, so its the same team just different league and through expansion vs promotion. --Doucet3 (talk) 20:08, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: Vancouver have been promoting the club history since 1974, not 1979. 79 was the year they won the playoffs. You're right that Vancouver were brought into the league in 2009 as, unlike other MLS teams, they existed before the MLS expansion. Vancouver even brought players into MLS. The only problem is that was a different league than Ottawas is participating in and we still don't know what the league structure is. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:13, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Should Ottawa Fury redirect here?

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Should Ottawa Fury redirect here? I think the clear answer is yes, and that was how this RM was closed by BDD (and both this page and the dab page were formatted according to that close). To reiterate some of what was said in the RM, the vast majority of references in a Google News search intend the subject we discuss here at Ottawa Fury FC. Substantially fewer refer to either of the other two existing ambiguous articles. IMO, this shows that the current pro incarnation is far and away the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of the term "Ottawa Fury" so readers typing in that search term ought to be directed there.--Cúchullain t/c 19:14, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I was the primary editor who objected, and I'm OK with it redirecting here. I assumed that at some point this would be the primary location, but didn't expect it immediately. Since consensus above was against me, I am fine with it happening. I changed the redirect to the dab since I read the merge discussion as closing without consensus as being this discussion (too many articles on my watch list and not following the full list). Again, I'm OK with it redirecting here particularly since there's a hatnote just in case an editor ends up in the wrong place. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:23, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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