Talk:Ortoire

Requested move 15 December 2020

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The result of the move request was: moved -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:39, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ortoire (disambiguation) → Ortoire – Move disambiguation page back. "Ortoire" was previously a redirect to Ortoire River. The actual primary usage of the term, from what I've seen during process of creating/co-developing article Ortoire (archeological site) and from my checking all incoming links to "Ortoire" after setting up what is now "Ortoire (disambiguation)" and from internet searching/browsing, is that Ortoire means an area or village (perhaps a formal administrative area or perhaps an informal hamlet) or political ward (as mentioned at Mayaro County article). Ortoire does not primarily, or perhaps not at all, mean Ortoire River.

However User:Lithopsian removed the new disambiguation page from "Ortoire" to "Ortoire (disambiguation)" and restored redirect of Ortoire to Ortoire River. It woulda been more productive/fine to question, perhaps at a Talk page, whether the archeological site article, then in Draft space, would get to mainspace promptly (it did in fact). And to ask about development of an article about the area/village/whatever, which showed in the dab at the time as Ortoire (ward) with supporting bluelink showing usage of the term in context (and it is okay/good to include redlinks with supporting bluelinks that way, per wp:DABRL). (There is progress, by the way, towards creation of an article about Ortoire as a village or other area, at User talk:Doncram#Your submission at Articles for creation: Ortoire (December 14); User:MB seems about ready to start it.) And to ask what "Ortoire" most commonly means.

But Lithopsian (incorrectly in my view) assumed "Ortoire River" is the primary usage of the term. Note the article Ortoire River does not show Ortoire as an alternative name. General usage as in this local person's blog about the Ortoire River uses "Ortoire River" not "Ortoire". And this account about Ortoire (which may or may not be considered governmental and official enough to use as a very reliable source in a new article), presents it as a village. That account may be too unofficial to be counted as very reliable; see discussion continuing at User talk:Doncram#Your submission at Articles for creation: Ortoire (December 14). But all usage I have come across mentioning just "Ortoire" means either a village or other area, or it means the archeological site, and it never means Ortoire River.

So, whether or not the redlink to an area-type article is replaced by a bluelink to an article extremely soon, or not, the current redirect of "Ortoire" to Ortoire River is incorrect. And the dab page should be moved to "Ortoire". Doncram (talk) 20:34, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support I've spent many hours searching WP and the web to create Ortoire (village) and expand Ortoire (archeological site) and don't believe there is any clear primary topic, so the dab should be at the base name. Ortoire River is the oldest WP article, but that fact is irrelevant in determining PT. Ortoire Block, a onshore oil/gas drilling area also pops up in searches - but that is not in the dab because there is no place to link it even though it's "The largest onshore gas discovery in Trinidad’s history". Still, another indicator that Ortoire does not primarily mean the river. MB 05:43, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.