Talk:Order of precedence in England and Wales/Archive 3

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Ranking between different genders

The article states "Separate orders exist for gentlemen and ladies.". But what does that mean? Surely events can happen in England and Wales with both gentlemen as well as ladies attending. So how are they ranked between each other? Do all gentlemen come before ladies or ladies before gentlemen or does it depend on the different sections within the orders? It seems to me that this is a big gap in this article and the article should answer this question. Unfortunately I was unable to find an answer with a quick internet search, so it would be especially good to have one here together with a proper reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.71.142.55 (talk) 20:38, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Inconsistent placing of grandchildren of previous monarchs.

The positions for grandchildren of former monarchs are inconsistent between the list for Gentlemen and Ladies... In the Ladies list, grandchildren of previous monarchs are placed higher than grandchildren of the current monarch - whilst in the gentlemen’s list, it is the other way around.

I find it hard to believe that female grandchildren of former monarchs actually outrank grandchildren of the current monarch - eg that Lady Sarah Chatto outranks Princess Beatrice - howeve I don’t have the definitive information.

Which is correct?

The Thieving Gypsy (talk) 08:23, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Harry, former Prince and Duke of Sussex

The Duke of Sussex is no longer a member of the Royal Family per se; he is a relative of royals but he is not technically a "royal;" he has left that life. He should not be listed in an order of precedence. 98.10.165.90 (talk) 16:51, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

The Duke of Sussex is one of the sovereign's grandsons, as is Peter Phillips. Neither are working royals but then neither are retired royals. They should all still appear in the order of precedence. Geofpick (talk) 18:49, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Nephews and Nieces of the King

Will these be place on the order of precedence:

1. First Marriage
2. Lady Sarah McCorquodale
   1. Emily McCorquodale (born 2 July 1983)
   2. George McCorquodale (born 17 November 1984)
   3. Celia McCorquodale (born 1989)
3. Jane Fellowes, Baroness Fellowes
   1. The Honourable Laura Fellowes (born 19 July 1980)
   2. The Honourable Alexander Fellowes (born 23 March 1983)
   3. The Honourable Eleanor Fellowes (born 20 August 1985)
4. Charles Spencer, 9th Earl Spencer
   1. Lady Kitty Spencer (born 28 December 1990)
   2. Lady Eliza Victoria Spencer (born 10 July 1992)
   3. Lady Katya Amelia Spencer (born 10 July 1992)
   4. Louis Spencer, Viscount Althorp (born 14 March 1994)
   5. The Honourable Edmund Spencer (born 6 October 2003)
   6. Lady Lara Spencer (born 16 March 2006)
   7. Lady Charlotte Spencer (born 30 July 2012)
5. Second Marriage
6. Annabel Elliot
   1. Ben Elliot (born 11 August 1975)
   2. Alice Elliot (born 1977)
   3. Catherine Elliot (born 1981)
7. Mark Shand
   1. Ayesha Shand (born 1995)

Just an idea. 86.191.234.132 (talk) 17:30, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Only the "blood" nephews and nieces have official precedence as members of the Royal Family. The people you mentioned above are accorded precedence based on their relations to peers only. The new female order of precedence in the main article is wrong though as Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, Lady Louise and Zara Phillips were not given precedence as nieces of the King, but rather as granddaughters of a former Sovereign.177.76.165.28 (talk) 19:50, 9 September 2022 (UTC)