Talk:Order of Christian Initiation of Adults

Mystagogy

I was redirected to this entry when searching for "Mystagogy". Mystagogy is a term used for a study of those rites used to introduce one to the mysteries of a particular religion. However this entry is limited to the Roman Catholic usage of the term alone. A casual inquirer would, using this entry, conclude that Mystagogy is uniquely a Roman Catholic term of art. It is not. The entry reflects Catholic teaching as found in the Catholic Encyclopedia. It is not appropriate for a secular non-sectarian reference work. I see that the corresponding entry regarding a "Mystagogue" is not limited to the Catholic interpretation fortunately. I have also included a comment in that "Talk" section.LAWinans (talk) 19:16, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Question

If the prospective convert dies prior to completing the full regimen...are they considered hellbound, sent to purgatory, or granted salvation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.247.100.121 (talk) 09:08, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

• Please refer to the Catechism of the Catholic Church par. 1259, "For catechumens who die before their Baptism, their explicit desire to receive it, together with repentance for their sins, and charity, assures them the salvation that they were not able to receive through the sacrament." (More>>) --Quodvultdeus (talk) 14:32, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Worldwide view

The examples and perspective in this article or section may not represent a worldwide view of the subject.

I have difficulty in understanding how this is the case; please expand. What is a worldwide view? Who decides the definition?

The article refers specifically to converting to Catholicism. It is totally uncontroversial and simply outlines with objective explainations the framework / process of the RCIA which is used globally throughout the Catholic world. You cannot get more worldwide than this!! (Monchelsea 12:13, 21 October 2007 (UTC))

Hi, the part after the introduction states that it is about the American rite, so I am concerned that it isn't also applicable to other nations. For example, how much of that is pertinent to Catholics in Australia? John Vandenberg 18:32, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

John, within the Catholic Church each Bishops Conference (US, England and Wales, Australia, etc) authorises Rites to be used within their Jurisdiction. These Rites have to be approved by Rome and they are based upon the official Roman Rite, which is in Latin. These regional Rites use the same framework as the Roman Rite. In relation to the Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults the Wiki article has been based upon the US approved Rite as: 1. It is in English; 2. It is one of the most developed as it specifically caters for Candidates as well as Cathchumens during thier formation. However, the basic framework - Periods and Steps - is the same, and would be recognised throughout the World. I hope this helps. Monchelsea 16:35, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

In that case, my suggestion is to ignore the "worldwide view" tag and keep expanding the topic based on the American Rite. Catholics from other nations will eventually come along and expand on the finer details for each conference. John Vandenberg 05:32, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Phrasing/Terminology

The Introduction has a phrase that refers to the "Parish pastor, clergy, or religious."

The "grammar nazi" in me has to ask: religious what? Is the term "Religious" usable as a noun in this context?

--Joe Sewell (talk) 01:26, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

• Yes, in this context religious means a member of the religious congregation, i.e. someone (a parish priest) who belongs either to the diocesan clergy or a monastic order/religious congregation of the consecrated life. (Cf. Perfectae Caritatis)--Quodvultdeus (talk) 14:38, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

I believe you'll find in practice that Catholics reserve the term "religious" for those who belong to some religious congregation, not including diocesan clergy (who by definition do not belong to a religious congregation but are directly under the Bishop). Jzsj (talk) 17:20, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Category:History of Roman Catholicism

Greetings Marcocapelle, For this article (on my watchlist), I noticed that category Category:History of Roman Catholicism was removed 11:59, 1 November 2015‎ Marcocapelle. Since I'm still learning about categories, I'm curious as to why removed? Is it because the RCIA was started in 1972 and therefore not old enough to be considered history? Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 13:01, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

• No that's not the issue. I've removed it because the article does not mention anything concretely about the history of the Roman Catholic Church, it's just a description of the rite starting with a (rather unclear) comment on it saying that it's different than before. At best it might be categorized in Category:1972 establishments. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:54, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Marcocapelle for the clarification. Afterwards, I did a websearch on ancient history RCIA and found these two sites which provide more historical (unsourced) background for the RCIA. Since I'm still inexperienced (and not very good) at finding & making correct cites, I'm hoping another more expert editor will be able to improve this article. Perhaps expanding the Introduction section, or adding an Ancient history section.

Here are the two sites that I found.

* history-of-the-rcia

* history-of-rcia

Cheers! JoeHebda (talk) 17:16, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

USCCB changing the name to OCIA

On November 17, 2021, the USCCB voted to change the name to "Order of Christian Initiation for Adults", or OCIA (source). It's unclear to me if this change has been made for other parts of the world and whether or not that means the article should have its name changed. -Thunderforge (talk) 02:45, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

The change has not occurred in the rest of the English-speaking world to my knowledge, certainly not in England and Wales. Clement Robinson 02:28, 28 January 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clement robinson369 (talk • contribs)