Talk:Orcrist

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I removed the section on Ecthelion's previous ownership, it was pure speculation and based probably mostly on the published version of the Silmarillion, ignoring the existence of more elaborate versions of the history of Gondolin. Since I can't see any other OR going beyond obvious conclusions, I removed the warning. --OliverH 22:48, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is no need for debate. I have removed it based on the fact that Wikipedia is not a platform for speculation, or original thought. Whether it is logical or not (sure, I'd say it is logical that Ecthelion wielded Orcrist) Tolkien never mentioned who Orcrist was made for, and neither do any of the Tolkienists who have documented and written countless analytical adn expository pieces on.

This is an encyclopedia, not a blog. We are talking about Tolkien's work -- and as Tolkien never defines who wielded Orcrist in Gondolin, therefore, it shall remain unnamed in the article. What you are doing is speculating -- reasonably or not, it is still speculation. Ryecatcher773 18:44, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed talk that is no longer relevant, in part to remove the account attached to it as it allows google to bring up my name. (24.57.131.84 (talk) 00:01, 8 October 2009 (UTC))[reply]