Talk:Oppression/Archive 1

Archive 1

Sociology

In sociology, systems and insitutions of oppression have a huge body of literature. --Cberlet 13:38, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I don't get it. Racism, sexism etc aren't "systems" nor "institutions", they are irrational prejudices held by individuals. Those prejudices can *lead* to oppression and to oppressive systems and institutions (including police and political oppression), but they aren't systems or institutions of oppression in themselves. Likewise, authoritarianism and totalitarianism are ideologies, again falling into the category of beliefs held by individuals, not systems or institutions. They can *lead to* oppression and oppressive systems, including cults and dictatorship (which are the actual oppressive systems, not the ideologies which can lead to them.) It seems counter-rational to list beliefs, prejudices, and ideologies as systems and institutions of oppression while relegating things which really are systems and institutions of oppression to the "see also" category. If there are sociologists who do categorize individual beliefs as systems and institutions of oppression, it would be helpful to name them with appropriate quotes and citations (as well as naming and citing sociologists who do not agree with this.) Kaibabsquirrel 03:17, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You are looking through the lens of psychology, not sociology, where racism, etc. are studied as systems of oppression that are institutionalized in many societies. But the wording was awkward, so it just made it a list. When I have time, I will add some references. I did not come up with the list, just monkeyed with it.--Cberlet 09:19, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification; it might be a good idea to make the distinction between the viewpoint of psychology and sociology clear in the article. Kaibabsquirrel 16:02, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

That's a good idea!--Cberlet 22:38, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Here's what I added to the text: "In psychology, racism, sexism and other prejudices are often studied as individual beliefs which, although not necessarily oppressive in themselves, can lead to oppression if they are acted on, or codified into law or other systems. By comparison, in sociology, these prejudices are often studied as being institutionalized systems of oppression in some societies." Kaibabsquirrel 00:45, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Most excellent.--Cberlet 12:18, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Someone needs to add a category on religious oppression --67.136.139.32 03:49, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Pejorative language

The use of the term 'whitey' as a term used by those oppressed, such as African Americans, results in an example of opression that makes a mockery of the dialogue between African Americans and their oppressors. This example of opression, is in and of itself, propelling it by making the examplie satirical. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gogosean (talk • contribs) 02:07, 30 April 2007 (UTC).there should be reference to "interlocking systems of oppression" in the hierarchy of oppression section.

Philosophy

I think it would be great to explore social constructivism's take on oppression as a social construction. While we may go back and forth as to what oppression means, the social constructivists would focus on the shared meanings. This includes a social agreement as to who is the oppressor, who are the oppressed, who are the activists, etc. This meaning changes over time and can correlate with a different response to the same acts from a different set of shared meanings. -- See John Searle (sp?)-- Cant figure out the signature, I am Gogosean 74.236.193.55 02:36, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Psychiatry

Couldn't psychiatry be considered as systematic oppression? What is said of law as systematic oppression could be extended to forensic psychiatry. Aren't the mentally ill largely considered inferior and treated as such, thus increasing their inferiority by means of brain damaging 'therapies' such as forced treatment to neuroleptics and ECT? Those therapies are often disguised or straightforwardly overt forms of oppression exerted in the name of 'common good'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.59.149.121 (talk) 21:50, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Your Scientology cult is far, far, FAR more oppressive. Go away, cultist. 75.105.128.56 (talk) 09:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

That's a prejudice. Scientology may be critical of psychiatry through their CCHR, but critics of psychiatry are not all scientologists. Do you accuse the government of being involved in scientology because they oppose drug use just like scientology's Narconon? Drug use can be abusive and so can psychiatry. Scientology offers costly bogus solutions to real problems. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.59.149.121 (talk) 02:08, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Alienation and oppression

A good idea would be to try and better explain the differences between oppression and alienation. ADM (talk) 06:43, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Microcultural Oppression

It would be a helpful addition to see a section here about microcultural oppression, as in familial and tribal societies, and the possible effects concerning internalized oppression. Links to the the opposites of oppression (freedom, peace, etc) would be helpful as well. I'm looking for information in particular about the roles of families and tribal societies within externally oppressed, totalitarian governments, and how families and tribal societies overcome these oppressions. The movement Gandhi initiated seems like a good place to start. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JLPape (talk • contribs) 17:18, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

List links to subcategories of oppression

I would like to suggest a list of internal links to wikipedia 'subcategories' of oppression as they appear in wikipedia to date: racism, sexism, classism etc. Religious intolerances would certainly be one such. e.g. classism

Looking at the sexism entry I note that the right hand box brings together a series of articles about 'discrimination' rather than oppression with some sort of template. Szczels 17:22, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

There are quite a few : cultural oppression, sexual oppression, economic oppression, political oppression, ethnic oppression, etc. Each could be easily translated into a shorter word such as racism, fascism, racism, and capitalism. ADM (talk) 06:51, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Which category would be best for mothers who have to work & never see their children or even nurse their newborn babies? Stars4change (talk) 17:08, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I disagree with the statement that "economic oppression" translates to "capitalism". Capitalism is an economic system, and any economic system can be corrupted, causing economic oppression. The one word that defines economic oppression is classism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JLPape (talk • contribs) 17:32, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Differing meanings of Oppression by different groups

This article has a ton of problems. This term actually has several overlapping and sometimes different meaning to several different groups. Gender studies and Queer studies for instance, have their own definition of "oppression" and engage in what they call "Anti-oppression". Distinction between what these various groups mean by the term should be made. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 06:53, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

The 'Oppression Page' focuses more on oppression within law enforcement. I plan on expanding and adding more information to oppression.

File:State oppression 1

This image relates to oppression as it shows a smaller individual being pressed down by a larger thumb. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jessicabrown943 (talk • contribs) 17:07, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Unexplained/questionable content removal

Someone recently recently removed several paragraphs from this article, describing them as "social warrior passive aggressive nonsense [sic]". I tried to undo this edit, but it could not be done because of "conflicting intermediate edits." Jarble (talk) 19:11, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

General references (seminal works)

In the Socioeconomic, political, legal, cultural, and institutional oppression section, the first sentence of the last paragraph is: "Research and theory development on social oppression has advanced apace since the 1980s with the publication of seminal books and articles..."

I think we should reference that statement, although I at first was hesitant because of the work involved. I thought of simply taking it out (to save time) but then I realized that the sentence contains an important point. If you asked a university professor in the 1950s to define "oppression" he would likely describe authoritarian oppression without mention of the other forms of oppression highlighted in this article. Thus, our understanding of the concept has changed substantially in recent decades.

DISCUSSION POINT #1: I am not an expert in this area, so I spent some time reading up on the topic before starting to list seminal books and articles. What you see in the current General references (seminal works) section is my preliminary list based on that research. I am sure other editors, particularly someone with expertise in this area, could add more books and articles to this list--please do so!

DISCUSSION POINT #2: I was not sure of the best way to provide references for "seminal books and articles...." Creating the "General references (seminal works)" section is my best attempt, but it might not be the best way to do it. Just so you know (if you don't already), I did not pull the "General references" idea out of a hat. ;-) Using a "General references" section is discussed briefly here: Citing sources: General references, and you can see the use of a General reference section, similar to what I've done for this article, in this Wikipedia document/article: Wikipedia:Formal organization.   - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) 02:04, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Formatting and Subject Feedback

This article has many good base ideas, but could expand on the ideas. Subcategories for each subject could allow for more ideas to be shared and referenced. Perhaps giving more information on different scenarios. Also, paraphrasing should be more of the go to than direct quoting. Sentence structure is off, could go back through and add better punctuation; all the commas are distracting and the lists should be after a (:) to signify the subjects attached to the main idea. There are many words that have strong biased connotations with them, so neutral words would be suggested. More statements need to be referenced or unbiased. Moorkatl (talk) 21:26, 11 November 2017 (UTC)Moorkatl

Go for it! Be bold and make some of those changes yourself, as you make some good points.   - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) 22:58, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Self Oppression

In bourgeois democracies like the USA, the ignorant masses choose backwardness and ignorance by which they are played, with gusto. In the case where these individuals don't remove themselves from society, it isn't really oppression it's a choice to be a tool, a low value one at that, some text to reflect this large fact is in order, a section with such a title perhaps. 98.4.124.117 (talk) 18:53, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

This is your encyclopedia, so please add such a section if you wish.   - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) 22:56, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

My encyclopedia is linked on my home page , I have drastically cut back and only do very occasional front matter edits after having done more than 100K over the first decade plus of editing. There's essentially zero compensation for the work you put in here, and an endless stream of contention with dolts, which in fairness was much reduced for me at least in the last 4-5 years. Also was going to comment, apropos self-oppression, how I've recently learned the extent to which wikipedia is a projection of the American culture machine, promulgating its values, the databases are all in US under US control and even the remote caching clusters are in safe havens of bourgeois culture. Lycurgus (talk) 10:13, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Template:Secret police of Communist Europe in article

Hi! I was wondering if there was a reason there is a Template:Secret police of Communist Europe at the bottom of the article. Is this connected to the subject? Secret police committed oppression; however, this article doesn't list all those who committed oppression.

Nywillb (talk) 18:19, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

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Tvoje matka

Oprese někdy vyjadřuje hustotu tvé matky, ale ne vždy jsou srozumitelné kvůli obrovskému číslu. 2A00:102A:4010:6E06:3D63:4AC7:167C:CAE1 (talk) 06:16, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Straight/gay water fountain image

Should we be using that image? It seems to be from an art project created in protest of California Prop 8, and inspired by memories of 1960s segregation, rather than a real example of social oppression. 142.127.118.145 (talk) 02:22, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Lid

Life orientation 41.216.203.234 (talk) 15:26, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

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