Talk:Operation Blade (Bass in the Place)

Use of "Happy Hardcore" as a genre for this piece of music.

Hello, very new to this, but! Happy Hardcore should not be used in this instance as this track in no way fits any of the characteristics of the genre. Happy Hardcore is primary characterised by its fast speed. It commonly sits between 160 - 190 BPM. Hard Trance sits between 135 - 155BPM.

The citation on the Happy Hardcore wiki page backs this up quite nicely. Reynolds, Simon (1998). Energy Flash: A Journey Through Rave Music and Dance Culture. Picador. "The difference between Happy Hardcore and happy gabba is slight: basically, the English tracks have sped-up breakbeats running alongside the stomping four-to-the-floor drum kick, and at 170 b.p.m., they're slightly slower than happy gabba." It also indicates tracks "that started to define the genre included Heart of Gold and Above the Clouds.[6]" With the citation being ) A listener who perhaps isn't familiar with the genre (happy hardcore) can get an idea of the wide gap between styles that isn't just limited to speed.

The citation given for 'happy hardcore' is a user review on a website by a user that at first glance has labelled Public Domains album "Hard Hop Superstars" as "Happy Hardcore" but upon reading the interview it actually labels the genre of the entire album 'hard-hop', a portamanteu of Hardcore and Hip Hop. It then goes on to describe the album as a "genre-splicing kerblam of crunching guitars, “intelligent beats” and rabid MCing " indicating there is more than one genre on the album and also a "happy(ish) hardcore record" which is the only instance where it refers to the album in particlar using these words, and again shows that the 'happy' has not even been used confidently. Overall though, the review is not of the individual track 'Operation Blade' which is what this, otherwise well written, wiki entry is all about.

Operation Blade is 140bpm, falling well short of 'Happy Hardcore', that's before we get started on the other commonly known characteristics of happy hardcore it lacks (pianos, (happy) vocals) as mentioned and cited above.

Being 140bpm it does fit nicely into the other two tags it has been given (Hard Trance, Acid) and it is backed up by a rock solid valid citation, Twans brilliant interview with Public Domain. However it cannot be both those genres AND happy hardcore - Happy Hardcore and those styles are contradictory in nature due to the speed constraints alone. 2A00:23C5:7588:4101:787E:A4C2:EA00:2B66 (talk) 16:59, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

@2A00:23C5:7588:4101:787E:A4C2:EA00:2B66: I've removed it for now, but I don't like getting involved with genres because it usually leads to edit warring, which I am firmly against. I highly suggest that, if you want to partake in genre analysis, you should create a registered account. ResPM (T🔈 🎵C) 17:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Hope I'm doing this right, just created an account! Like you, I don't think genre-wars/edit warring is something I would want to get into either; it's just this 'happy hardcore' thing was a bit of a glaring one. Certainly not one that I think anyone would argue as the Hard Trance/Hard House fans wouldn't see it as Happy Hardcore and likewise Happy Hardcore fans would'nt see it as Happy Hardcore. So should be safe! Ties in nicely with the discogs page too, where they're equally attentive over genre labelling. Now to figure out how to make a good looking profile like you have, I think I've got a bit to learn! My wife chose this username... and now I appear to be stuck with it.Unclecuttlefish (talk) 22:07, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

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