Talk:One Nation Labour

Neutrality concerns

I'm slightly concerned this article has been written with a skew towards favouring the subject, particularly given edits made by the same author to article like New Labour. I've previously suggested creating something on this topic, but held off because sources were limited, and the term is relatively new. It is too early to say whether or not this school of thought will have the kind of impact as its predecessor. I imagine that all depends on what happens in May 2015. But since we do have it now, it could do with the attention of an experienced editor. Thanks, Paul MacDermott (talk) 17:15, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

What exactly is the material that you do not consider neutral?--74.12.195.248 (talk) 05:16, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

It seems to me to be a very one sided article, and I came away not really knowing much more about One Nation Labour than I did before reading it. You seem quite keen to emphasise, through several quotes, the re-engagement with socialism, and that One Nation Labour and New Labour are two very different schools of thought, but what else is One Nation Labour about? What are its key policies? Who are its supporters and opponents? Is there no criticism of? Do you have any sources on public perception? This is an interesting topic, but needs a lot of development. I've mentioned it at WikiProject Socialism in the hope someone will take a look and perhaps make some suggestions. Paul MacDermott (talk) 17:00, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

What I've written is that One Nation Labour uses the term more often, as the source attests to. But I've also written that like New Labour, it uses a non-conventional description of socialism. As for the source I used that uses the word "Socialism" in the title, it was one of a few sources available for viewing online that deeply looks into One Nation Labour, the title of the book is irrelevent for me, its content on One Nation Labour is what is relevent. From what I've written, from my perspective at least, it is not saying that they are two very different schools of thought, but that there are differences and Ed Miliband himself has attested to, and there are similarities. This article is in its early form, sources on One Nation Labour are still limited at this point. So I would agree that more content is needed, such as internal supporters and opponents of One Nation Labour like the article on New Labour addresses, but sources need to be found to include material on that.--74.12.195.248 (talk) 18:15, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

I have added material on policies.--74.12.195.248 (talk) 18:44, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me. Doing a quick Google search, I see this subject is discussed in several newspaper articles, which may be helpful here. I'll add what I can find below, and you can perhaps use a few to augment the article. I see you've edited a lot in the last few days. Have you considered creating an account? Paul MacDermott (talk) 19:34, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Refdump

• One nation Labour: what does it mean for policy?, Nick Robinson, BBC, 4 October 2012
• Collins report on Labour party reform: full text, The Guardian, 4 February 2014
• Labour rising stars push Ed Miliband's One Nation in run-up to conference, Patrick Wintour, The Guardian, 18 September 2013
• Ed Miliband: Voters need their voices to be heard - I'm asking Labour to open itself up to you, Daily Mirror, 27 February 2014
• Miliband's One Nation mantra 'turns off voters': Backbencher says Labour leader is turning off voters with 'sloganeering', Tim Shipman, Daily Mail, 8 January 2014
• Alastair Campbell: Labour's One Nation positioning must be backed by policy, John Owens, PR Week, 14 January 2014
• Miliband makes childcare 'One Nation Labour' pledge, ITV News, 18 November 2013
• Miliband ally warns public 'don't get' Ed's One Nation vision, Alex Stevenson, Politics.co.uk, 8 January 2014
• "One Nation Labour" in a UK of four nations, David Cornock, BBC, 24 September 2013
• Labour have dropped One Nation and gone for bitterness and spite, Dan Hodges, The Daily Telegraph, 27 January 2014
• Labour recognises that it can't build a One Nation country alone, Rachel Reeves, New Statesman, 22 September 2013
• Labour's one nation not in Northern Ireland, Boyd Black, Belfast Telegraph, 20 September 2013
• ‘One Nation’ is still the slogan Labour can rally around, Matthew D'Ancona, London Evening Standard, 11 September 2013
• One Nation Book Launched at Conference, Matthew Brown, The Independent, 26 September 2013
• Big Society v One Nation: What's the difference?, Alex Smith, Total Politics Magazine, 20 September 2013

That seems to be pretty much everything for now, but I'll keep looking. The book, One Nation: Power, Hope, Community may also be worth a read if you can get hold of a coy. Paul MacDermott (talk) 22:29, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Sources used in the article

I've taken a fresh look at this and have a few concerns that will need addressing in the long run if this is to be improved.

• Much of the content seems to rely on two main sources. We really do need more. The links I added above should help there.
• Of those two main sources, one (Labour.org) is a primary source, which should eventually be replaced by secondary material.
• Hastings and Mason, and a couple of the other less used sources predate One Nation Labour by several years, something that could lead to original research issues.

One Nation Labour is a fairly new concept at present, so hopefully more material will become available over the coming months discussing its ethos. I guess a more in-depth analysis will occur as the 2015 election approaches, hopefully making it easier to expand this article. Paul MacDermott (talk) 17:16, 7 April 2014 (UTC)