Talk:One-Day Cup (Australia)

Stats

I feel the leading batting and bowling stats are incorrect (by a long way). Can someone provide a source? -- Ian ≡ talk 11:45, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

For example: Justin Langer 2828 runs @ 40.40.

Cricinfo [1] has Langer with 7,023 Test runs; 160 ODI runs (!); 22,432 first-class runs and 5,844 List-A runs. How do you get 2,828 out of that? A few of the others listed were also wrong. -- Ian ≡ talk 11:52, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

User talk:203.87.67.154 replied on my talk page -- Ian ≡ talk 03:17, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

New name

As an American, and a long-time driver of the pickup truck in question, I wonder why Australia's one-day cricket competition is named for a vehicle not sold in Australia. Does anyone have any ideas? Did Ford Courier Cup not sound right to the powers that be? --Xyzzyva 13:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I understand that Ford will be launching the Ranger to the Australian market on 1 January 2007, according to the Ford Australia website. I can only think that they have named the competition this as a way of enabling brand recognition prior to the actual launch. --Dave 23:24, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Article name

With the constant sponsorship name changes of this competition, it would be nice if there was a sensible non-sponsor specific name that the article could be called - with the sponsorship names as redirects. -- Chuq 03:41, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I do agree, but to what? This issue was raised briefly just recently at WP:CRIC - apparently the convention is to use the sponsor's name. — Moondyne 03:57, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

How about Australian Domestic List A Cricket competition? --Astrokey44 23:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

This appears to make a lot of sense. Cricket Australia has today released fixtures for the 2007/2008 season and they are referring to this competition as the "Domestic One Day Series (formerly Ford Ranger Cup)", suggesting that either Ford is changing the name of the vehicle that is to be associated with this competition or has pulled the plug completely. I would imagine that no one will know what the competition is called after a while so it may make more sense to implement a generic name with redirects.--Dave 04:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Isn't it funny how you think of something and go to the talk page to suggest it, to find you have already suggested it 16 months earlier? :P I think it is agreed that it should change, but to what name? I suggest either "Australian domestic one-day cup" or "Australian domestic one-day series" (ignoring punctuation and caps for now) - I don't think the word "cricket" has to be used, as "one-day" implies that. -- Chuq (talk) 06:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Either one is fine by me. Bongomanrae (talk) 09:58, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't this article be moved again? It seems that it is rarely referred to as the "Australian Domestic One-Day Series", so the current title is in violation of WP:COMMONNAME. Wouldn't a better title be "National One Day Cup" or even "Australian National One Day Cup" to avoid confusion? – PeeJay 16:19, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

I changed the article name from Ryobi One-Day Cup to this a few months ago as this is a sponsorship name and it is rarely used except officially. The comp has has nine different sponsors names throughout its history, and none of these have really been used commonly enough to merit use as the article's name, although all redirect to the this page. I think "Australian", "Domestic", and "One-Day" OR "Limited Overs" need to stay in the title, but whether it is called a series, a cup or competition could be argued. Bozzio (talk) 02:10, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

I think "National" would be better than "Domestic", since the current season article is 2010–11 National One Day Cup. For the same reason, I think we can safely say this is definitely not a "series". – PeeJay 02:35, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to change the name of that page to 2010-11 Ryobi One-Day Cup. All the other seasons are referred by their sponsored name (2009-10 Ford Ranger Cup, etc). Cricinfo, Cricket Archive and Cricket.com.au all refer to this as the Ryobi One-Day Cup. I think that the competition overall *could* be referred to as either a cup, a series, a tournament or a competition. Using the term "National" could be called incorrect, as New Zealand participated in the first few seasons, though I suppose "domestic" could also be called incorrect... Bozzio (talk) 08:15, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Unless anyone objects I am going to change the article name to "Australian One-Day Cup". Reasons are:

1. Title is much too long
2. WP:COMMONNAME: Has never been called by this name (Australian domestic limited-overs cricket tournament)
3. Has been called "Cup" since 1973 and has been called "One-Day Cup" since 2010.
4. Is overly verbose ("domestic" is unnecessary because it already has the domain in which it is in ("Australia") and international Australian One Day tournaments have other names (World Series Cricket, Australian Tri-Series). "Cricket tournament" can be shortened to "Cup")
5. "Limited-overs" could mean Twenty-20 which the national tournament for is the Big Bash League, but "One-Day Cup" could not because Twenty-20 matches do not last a day.

I would change the intro as well because it does not suit the current tournament and is written like a "History of..." article. MarkiPoli (talk) 13:24, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Agree with you about the intro needing a rewrite, but per WP:COMMONNAME, I would vote for changing it to "Matador BBQs One-Day Cup" (and changing it again whenever the tournament gets a new name). That seems to be what was done until 2010, and as far as I'm aware there are no other Wikipedia articles (cricket or otherwise) that do similar. I understand why it was done, but this is not a print encyclopedia – we're able to make constant updates, so we don't need to pick a name that we think is unlikely to be changed. Most cricket fans will be aware of what the tournament is called, and will look for it under that name. IgnorantArmies (talk) 14:53, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Venue/Crowd in winners table

This table is a table of the winners and runners-up of the whole competition, not a list of the finals played, so the inclusion of venues and crowd figures seems a bit strange. The venue of the final may be worth including (labelled clearly as "final venue" or something like that), but the crowd figures seem even more out of place (and definitely shouldn't be "0" when figures aren't available). There is a whole separate article on the finals - how much of the info needs to be in this table as well? JPD (talk) 11:54, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I've moved the crowd figures to the finals page. Should the ODI template include a crowd field?Jockosaurus (talk) 01:20, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

ACT Colours

Can someone create a template for thir colours (yellow and rotyal blue)?Jockosaurus (talk) 01:20, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

2018/19 winner wrong

Victoria were winners not W.A. and its Vic's 6th win not 7th Paraska (talk) 07:45, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Teams Section

Should the colour of the block to the left of Northern Territory be light grey to match the map? (rgb 192:192:192)
Do Western Australia still play one day matches at the WACA? Have they moved to the Perth Stadium? 51.7.0.218 (talk) 14:47, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Questions re 2022 sponsor

Does "Marsh" refer to one or more of the famous family of cricketers with that surname? If so then the link is wrong.

If not then it is really surprising to have a global USA company as sponsor but should "Marsh" be linked to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_(company) instead of to that company's parent? 202.168.33.73 (talk) 10:42, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Going to rename to "One-Day Cup (Australia)" and rewrite intro

Reading through the previous discussions, I see no reason why it wasn't already done, and I'm going to re write the intro accordingly. I think "One-Day Cup (Australia)" is a good title because it's had that name, plus the sponsor at the front, since 2010. I'm choosing it over "Australian One-Day Cup" because that would imply that's the actual name of the series, and "One-Day Cup" is too ambiguous in terms of location. I don't think any international tournament has the name "One-Day Cup". The current title is bad and ambiguous (could mean Big Bash League). MarkiPoli (talk) 10:41, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

If you are saying "One-Day Cup" is the name, then it doesn't need disambiguation. StAnselm (talk) 20:55, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 13 September 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – MaterialWorks 23:12, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

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Australian domestic limited-overs cricket tournament → One-Day Cup (Australia) – Going to revive this discussion. If anyone has any other ideas regarding capitalization, format or another name entirely then please suggest it. But the current name is totally insufficient. WP:COMMONNAME for a start. There are obviously no results referring to "Australian domestic limited-overs cricket tournament" in any search that's not WP:CIRCULAR. The name of this article comes from when the Big Bash League or KFC Twenty20 Big Bash didn't exist and there was only one national limited-overs competition. This ABC article (the ABC has a very strict no sponsored names policy) calls it the (lowercase) "one-day cup" in the article and "one-day domestic cup" in the title. Also, the One-Day Cup (England) is called that over other options (current official name as of 2023 is Metro Bank One-Day Cup, was Royal London One-Day Cup last year). Also, whether to keep the sponsored names on the individual season articles in this tournament is something to consider as well.

References

MarkiPoli (talk) 15:29, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support as WP:COMMONNAME, the current name is clearly not the common name, not least because as mentioned above, this isn't the only Australian domestic limited-overs cricket tournament as T20 tournaments also exist. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:51, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support Per nom and Joseph2302s comments. Current title isn't suitable. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:32, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom. But I will always think of it as the Mercantile Mutual Cup. StAnselm (talk) 20:48, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

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