Talk:On the Run (instrumental)

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Genre

This instrumental track is fully electronic, with no "rock" patterns, therefore I am changing the relevant info into the infobox. --Doktor Who 03:43, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note Sequence

The album track when analyzed shows the note sequence is (E3, G3, A3, G3, D4, C4, D4, E4). On the DVD, "Classic Albums: The Making of The Dark Side of the Moon: Pink Floyd", David Gilmour enters the sequence into a Synthi AKS and demonstrates how the line was created. The sequence he enters is in the key of C, which is not a big discrepancy since a synthesizer can be easily transposed. However, he appears to enter a different sequence, transposed here to E for comparison: (E3, G3, B3, A3, G3, B3, D4, E4). —Preceding unsigned comment added by DLM (talk • contribs) 01:45, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your work on this. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 02:18, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Um, yes, I came to say something similar. I watched the clip, and Gilmour does appear to peck out a broken-up C-minor pentatonic scale:

The 8 sixteenth notes sequence (C3, C2, E♭2, G2, F2, E♭2, F2, B♭2)^[1] is played at a tempo of 165 BPM, while both filter frequency and resonance are modulated.

... but it does sound in E minor in the clip cited here, in which case the notes would be E3, E2, G2, B2, A2, G2, A2, D2 ... Okay, wait, I'm a little lost about which numbers they should be. Either way, the clip tells the ear it's in E minor, while it tells the eyes it's in C minor. So what do we put in there? It's a little embarassing to have a drastic mistake (four semitones flat!) in the article.

--Ben Culture (talk) 09:49, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously, as my previous comment indicates, I respectfully disagree with DLM about there being any C notes in the sequence. It sounds to me like a re-arranged E minor pentatonic scale, in which Cs would be replaced by either Bs or Ds.

--Ben Culture (talk) 14:41, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rU_ei_x0Ag

Importance in Electronic Music

What effect did this song have on electronic music that followed? Was it the first or one of the first to use a synth and a sequencer?

To answer that question in the article would most likely constitute Original Research.

--Ben Culture (talk) 09:53, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes why isn't there at least some acknowledgment of the influence of this track on techno and other post-mid80s electronic music. After all there is nothing related to rock music contained in this song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.208.104 (talk) 21:27, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody reputable has to write about it first, so we can quote them. We don't do journalism or research here. Who's to say there was a significant influence? I mean, Pink Floyd were being dismissed as wankers well before The Dark Side of the Moon came out.

--Ben Culture (talk) 09:53, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

McDonald & Sherby - Space Beam

I believe there should be mention of "Space Beam" by McDonald & Sherby off of the album Catharsis given that "Space Beam" may possibly have predated Dark Side of the Moon's "On the Run" by four years and features almost identical use of the synthesizer. This is especially apparent at 2:25 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYE_S8hlQLw). I am aware that this is controversial given that some believe the track to have been recorded in 1974 and not 1969. However, it is still worth mentioning the possible influence of Pink Floyd on this particular song.

On another note: is there anyone here willing to compile a McDonald & Sherby Wiki? I am a long time fan of Pink Floyd and would love to have discovered this band before recently. My father is also a long time fan of Pink Floyd and has never heard of this band either. I think introducing this band to Pink Floyd fans via the Wiki is a great way to get people more involved with their music listening experience and educated about the history of prog. Let's keep the (re)discovery of old prog alive! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.165.54.195 (talk) 17:42, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you're right that the sequence beginning at 2:25 sounds an awful lot like "On The Run." If "Space Beam" came out first, I'm personally going to believe Gilmour pretty much ripped it off. But you can't print that. If it did come out first, it's worth mentioning as a likely influence (or a staggering coincidence), but if it came out afterwards, it's not even worth mentioning, IMO.

--Ben Culture (talk) 10:02, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The song "space beam"and the album were in fact recorded earlier than 1974. I originally met Guy McDonald through my friend who, at the time, was receiving guitar lessons from him. After going to his home, speaking with him, and jamming several times he had many stories on these songs. Unfortunately he was also screwed by the record label and I believe some other people involved with the contract(s) and never received any recognition or royalties (even though they would be small). He was a musical genius and was kept 'down' because of this. It is unfortunate that more music could not have been made and now that he has passed away, this music is amazingly important. McDonald and Sherby, and Guy in particular, had one of the first synthesizers in the states. One of their earliest models remained at his residence until his death...this man deserved recognition but I am afraid he will never receive any.....anyway just a simple message from one random perosn on the internet to another. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.36.134.28 (talk) 05:42, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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