Talk:Omagh bombing/Archives/2017/1

Source distortion regarding unborn twins

I see there has been a further attempt to claim the death toll was 31 using this BBC source. The relevant quotes from the source are:

• John Leckey, who is hearing evidence at the inquest into the deaths of 29 people who died in the Real IRA car-bomb in the County Tyrone town had been asked by the family of the two unborn girls to also make an official finding about them
• The coroner said he had no jurisdiction over the twins being carried by Avril Monaghan, 30, who died along with her daughter, Maura, 20 months and her mother Mary Grimes
• But Mr Leckey said he was in no doubt that 31 people were killed in the bomb and that he would write to the Director of Public Prosecutions to ask him to consider charging anyone apprehended for the bombing with child destruction
• The twins' father, joiner Michael Monaghan, attended the inquest, sitting in Omagh Leisure Centre, to hear the result of his family's request for the twins to be formally recognised, so that the final death toll of the dissident republican bombing would be counted as 31, instead of 29
• He said: "As far as I am concerned 31 persons died, but for legal reasons I can only claim jurisdiction over 29"

Thus the coroner's personal opinion of the number of deaths is irrelevant, he made it quite clear he had no legal jurisdiction to increase the death toll from 29 to 31, and the death toll remained 29.DanceHallCrasher (talk) 12:16, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

They are not "forgotten". The second paragraph reads "The victims included people from many backgrounds: Protestants, Catholics, a Mormon teenager, five other teenagers, six children, a mother pregnant with twins, two Spanish tourists", which would appear to be the most sensible place to include the information.DanceHallCrasher (talk) 18:31, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

You appear to be confusing emotion with facts. 29 people were killed, the end. Goodbye.DanceHallCrasher (talk) 18:45, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Actually it is a highly notable point that should be stated where the IP is looking it to be. Why you would want to degrade it is curious. Mabuska ^(talk) 19:42, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Deleted the additions made made by my passionate colleague, after agreement as a sign of respect for the victims. Bickering over semantics will not change anything however sincere the intent. RIP all those murdered on that day, Adults, children and those alive yet unborn. I am sure we can all agree on that.

Deleted the part about unborn children-as-victims. Should they included, it ought to be handled consistently in all wikipedia pages where victims are tracked. However, this is not feasible, as unborn children are not consistently included in death tolls of murders and accidents. (This being due to them not consistently/universally considered legally humans.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.111.215.18 (talk) 12:08, 19 January 2017 (UTC)