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European History

A defeat by 4 goals is by no means "one of the biggest", it actually happens pretty often. It's hardly even notable, since in every CL season there is a two digit number of such victories. I thus deleted the following: but also managed one of the biggest victories in Champions League, a 6-2 victory against the finalists of the previous year

This is not a sportsforum to defend your favorite teams' performance, i'd rather see less subjectivity in reporting of results.

Name of the club

When a non-English name is written in English, we must strive to write proper English first of all, and then to transport as much 'flavor' as possible from the original language. At least, that's what I do. Therefore, the proper spelling in English can only be Olympiacos. We have Olympic games, Olympic airlines, etc, because in English only the letter "c" is used in the many variants of the word. There is no linguistic reason whatsoever to use the letter "k". If the name of the club was to be written in German, then "Olympiakos" would be correct. The Gnome 20:20, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Totally disagree with you, the name is not written in "English", this doesn't make sense, it's just transcribed to the Latin Alphabet. There are no transcription rules from Greek to Latin Alphabet whatsoever. And it is meant to be read by every person who uses the Latin Alphabet, not English-speaking people only. What about Germans, Italians, French, Spanish etc? Nevertheless, I've yet to meet an English speaking person who can't pronounce "Olympiakos" correctly (apart from the stress on the second to last syllable instead of the last, but that's what they do to all foreign looking words). --   Avg    23:35, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I did not claim that the term "Olympiacos" is some inherent part of the English language. It is, as you write, transcribed into English (which, I'm afraid, in itself, makes it part of the English language...) and to do this, the rules of the language must be observed. You claim that "there are no transcription rules from Greek to Latin Alphabet whatsoever". Firstly, I am referring specifically to the English language -- and not "the Latin alphabet" generally. Secondly, I was under the impression that there was a rule behind the fact that we write "alphabet" instead of "alfabet", or "Herodotus" instead of "Erodotus", etc. As to pronounciation, I did not dispute that both "Olympiakos" and "Olympiacos" are pronounced the same. It is funny, though, that you yourself admit to the fact that the pronounciation of a name does change when the word is "transcribed" into the English language. You write "that's what they do to all foreign looking words"; however, that's not what English-speakers do and it has little to do with "foreign-looking". Do you think the French language puts the accent on the last syllable of "Olympiacos" because that's the way it is pronounced in Greece -- or because that's where all French words have the accent? But wait, "that's what [English-speakers] do" ...always?? Are you suggesting there's ...a rule here? :-) The Gnome 05:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I explained it above but I will explain it again. It is not by accident that I refer to the transcription to the Latin Alphabet and not to English. The Latin Alphabet is not proprietary to any language. When you write Olympiacos/Olympiakos with Latin letters this does not automatically make it English. Or French, or German, or any specific language. This word is supposed to be read by any person who is familiar with the Latin Alphabet. Therefore there are no rules of "proper English" to be observed, because it is not an English word and it is not limited to English speakers only. Olympiacos/Olympiakos is not similar to Olympic, which is an English word, it is a Greek word hence unaffected by rules of the English language (even if it means Olympic in Greek). The second point about pronunciation is a different story. As I said, even native English people read Olympiakos and Olympiacos exactly the same (with the stress in -a-) and native French people read it again the same (with the stress in -os). So the spelling Olympiacos doesn't have a clear advantage over Olympiakos since it doesn't offer any further disambiguation in pronunciation. (Note for other readers: Of course this discussion is irrelevant to which one is the official spelling, that is undeniably Olympiacos).--   Avg    22:44, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
You wrote "The Latin Alphabet is not proprietary to any language." True enough, but this is the English language we are talking about. Demosthenes is written differently in French than in English, due to the difference in rules between the two languages, although they both use the same alphabet. Words in Greek are transferred over to a foreign language following the rules of that foreign language and then, as I already wrote above, trying to retain as much of the flavor of the original Greek word as possible. You also wrote "When you write Olympiacos/Olympiakos with Latin letters this does not automatically make it English." True enough but when people tune in to the English version of Wikipedia, they expect to see words in English. (The writing of words in their original language, the translation, etc, are here as additional information. When we write Çõķ in Wikipedia, the English reader is not expected to be able to either understand what it means, nor to pronounce it.) You then wrote "This word [Olympiacos] is supposed to be read by any person who is familiar with the Latin Alphabet." Only because the word "Olympiacos" contains almost no ambiguous letters, my friend! (The exception is, of course, the ambiguous "y".) Same goes for other Greek "straight-forward" names like "Manos", "Pavlos", "Kostas", etc.
In any case, transferring a word from its original language to the "Latin alphabet" does NOT mean that (a) it is then supposed to be read, as you claim, by "any person familiar with the Latin Alphabet", nor that (b) it is written the same way in every Latin-alphabet language! We transfer a word to a language, and not just an alphabet, even though we may not realize it. (Yes, when you transfer a foreign-language word to the Greek alphabet, you also transfer it to the Greek language. The reason is obvious, I hope.)
Finally, the point "There are no transcription rules from Greek to Latin Alphabet whatsoever", which you made previously, is irrelevant. The Latin alphabet is just an alphabet, and nothing more. And so are the Cyrillic or the Greek or the Turkish, etc. It's the rules of the specific language that matter. So may we remind ourselves that our host is the English version of Wikipedia? There must be a rule here somewhere that the rules of the English language must be observed when writing in English... The Gnome 09:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm afraid we aren't going to agree on this. What more to tell you than that the English THEMSELVES refer to the Greek letter kappa (κ) as Kappa and not "Cappa". See also Romanization of Greek. The only transliteration of κ to c occured two thousand years ago when Greek words came to Western dictionary through Latin, now all Greek words are universally transcribed with a K, as for example all Greek surnames.--   Avg    19:59, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
We could possibly come to an agreement if the dialogue were conducted with each side responding to the other's points and not just raising one's own. You wrote that "the English THEMSELVES refer to the Greek letter κ as Kappa and not Cappa". However, this is because, as you wrote, a lot of Greek words went over to the Latin languages at the time of antiquity. The name of the letter Kappa was one of them. You also wrote "Now all Greek words are universally transcribed with a K, as for example all Greek surnames" but perha~ps you're referring to the "official" (and quite atrocious!) rules for the transcriptions of Greek names in Latin letters in official documents, such as passports. There, the (quite atrocious!) rule is for transcription to be implemented letter for letter without any regard to pronounciation or the rules of either alphabet. The results are predictably hilarious, and the point you're raising is irrelevant.
I'm not arguing that the word Olympia and its derivatives Olympic, Olympian, Olympiacos, etc, are modern words. They are, in fact, words which come to us directly from antiquity. Therefore, the name of the club Olympiacos (a club born in the 20th century AD but carrying a name "born" in antiquity) should be written with a "c" if we want to retain a signifier of its origin, or with a "k" if we want to be "modern". Or, perhaps, as another contributor aptly put it, we want to think of Olympiacos as more male and virile with a k. (I will concede here that, as far as I understand, the reason that the club's official documents have Olympciacos with a "c" has probably nothing to do with what I wrote. Rather, in typical fashion, the club's owners have decided to have the club "closer to Europe" and away from what they perceive as "Greek provinciality".) The Gnome 07:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
You wrote "[The name in Latin letters] is meant to be read by every person who uses the Latin Alphabet, not English-speaking people only." If that's the case, then please explain how the Serbian (formerly Yugoslavian) club Фудбалски клуб Црвена звезда (which, as it happens, translates into English as Red Star Belgrade) is going to be transcribed "in Latin letters" so that "every person who uses the Latin alphabet" can read it. Remember, it has to be in way that it is read the same in every language using the Latin alphabet! My point is this : There is one unique way of writing in its own language the name of the club, that in every other language there is one unique way of transcribing that name to it (e.g. in German Zvezda is not pronounced the same way as Zvezda in English) and that there is also in every other language one way of translating that name, i.e. the Wiki entry states that "In English-speaking countries [the club] is known as Red Star; in German as Roter Stern; in French as Etoile Rouge; in Spanish as Estrella Roja; in Italian as Stella Rossa". The Gnome 07:28, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Totally irrelevant. This is not a transcription, this is a translation. I hope you know the difference. With your logic, Olympiacos should be "Olympic" in English, "Olympique" in French and "Olympico" in Italian.--   Avg    19:04, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
The examples of translation were given in order to highlight the absurdity of ignoring the points I raised in my message above. Please provide me with your opinion about the correct writing in "the Latin alphabet" of the name of the club Црвена звезда. Thanks in advance. The Gnome 22:29, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
That is not a very good example of yours because you might know that the Serbian language has two alphabets, one is the Cyrillic and the other is the Latin, so there is actually an official transliteration and that is Crvena Zvezda. See also FK Crvena zvezda, KK Crvena zvezda, Stadion Crvena Zvezda. Perhaps this could help you disambiguate between transliteration and pronunciation. --   Avg    23:33, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
You are correct about the example. You may use, to facilitate things, the example of Red Star Belgrade, as if there were no Latin writing of Slav. If you don't feel like it, please explain to me your position using the following example in Russian, a language that, like the Greek (so far...), has no Latin-writing equivalent: Since Ολυμπιακός transliterates to Olympiakos "in Latin letters", how does Шахтар Донецьк transliterate? Give me the transliteration which is valid for every language using the Latin alphabet, please.
There is no confusion at all between transliteration and pronunciation in my position. I should point out though that you have not addressed the confusion, inherent in your position, i.e. presuming the English language and the Latin Alphabet to be identical. So far, you have offered various claims about the "correct" transliteration of "Olympiacos", all based on the false assumption that the Latin alphabet equals the English language. I have already explained that the Latin language might be common to most European languages -and then some- but the writing of a name which belongs to a foreign language may change depending on the host language. Hence, there cannot be necessarily one and only one way of writing names which originate in non-Latin languages, such as "Olympiacos", in every language which uses Latin letters ! I hope that's clear enough. (Emphasis on "necessarily", please.) The Gnome 11:07, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Somehow we seem to actually support the same position! It was my point from the beginning that the English Language is not identical to the Latin Alphabet. I was also saying that there isn't one and only transliteration of Greek to Latin Alphabet. In fact my initial question is why is Olympiacos better than Olympiakos since these two words are pronounced exactly the same in every language? I believe you were claiming that Olympiacos is "proper" English, while I said that there is no "proper" transliteration. So do we agree on that or am I missing something? --   Avg    16:36, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I think C is the correct spelling. The official website uses it. - Stoph 22:03, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Olympiakos is the name of the club...--62.1.224.5 17:11, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
It used to be Olympiakos but last year the name changed to Olympiacos. So from now on its with C. Powerade 17:10, 21 January 2006 (GMT+2)
Olympiacos has been the technically correct spelling for quite a few years now, used in Olympiacos' and UEFA's official websites and anything official for that matter, including tickets for international matches. It also has been recently imprinted in the Georgios Karaiskakis stadium.
Despite it being the official spelling though, it doesn't sit very well to fan's eyes and I'd expect third parties to continue using the "greeklish" Olympiakos spelling indefinitely.--Magrippinho 05:02, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
The Greeks use k because their is no cc in the Greek alphabet. So I think the correct translation in with a c
Olympiacos official site It's a "c" --Michalis Famelis 11:28, 13 March 2006 (UTC)


Its Olympiakos,trust me,Im even offended when you say Olympiacos,its like I say Khelsea for Chelsea - —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dzoni (talk • contribs)

I agree the fans don't like Olympiacos and prefer Olympiakos (for some strange reason they consider it more "manly"), but this is a decision of the club itself (see www.olympiacos.org). Nobody forced the club to change its name, but they did, probably for marketing purposes. --Avg 13:11, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I just saw it,still its pretty strange,because I went to Real Madrid game with Gate 7 and I brought an original Djordjevic shirt few months ago and its saying Olimpiakos,but I just saw that they really changed it,so what can you do,but still its pretty dumb,like Chelsea changin it to khelsea or Charlton to Kharton,it makes no sense,because we are ortodox and we should not change club names just to make it more in the spirit of foreign language.

Its would be like if we changed the name of Crvena Zvezda to Red Star or Stell Rossa,just because its suits other languages.Or if called it FC Crvena Zvezda instead of FK(becasue we dont say club,we say klub).

Anyways,if Olympiaki board really did it,so be it,but I doubt it will live in Greece or in any ortodoh country,for that matterDzoni 18:56, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Now that its changed to Olmypiacos, is it still pronounced Olmypiakos or is it now pronounced Olympiasos? Philc T+C19:07, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
The pronounciation is exactly the same (with a "k"). There is a rule in almost every western language that "c" before "o" is always a "k". When it is pronounced as "s", the French and Spanish put a small s under the c (ç). In fact this is exactly why the name was changed. It supposedly registers better to Western eyes.--Avg 00:59, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Funny that, it seems there is just as little ambiguity with a k to me, I mean, I dont think anyone ever mispronounced it before in a way that chenging the k to a c would help prevent. ahwell, their decision. Philc T+C 10:03, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


They are acting dumb,becoase if you are Ortodox,then you shouldn`t pay attention to how Catholics or other look at your name,plus as Philc said,no one mispronounced it wrong,so they are just being stupid with this oneDzoni 16:13, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


Should there not be some reference in the article to the Olympiakos spelling i.e. that the name was changed by the club a few years ago but that it is still popularly referred to with a 'k' etc? Eldumpo (talk) 08:19, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

CONSTANT ABUSIVE EDITS

Everyday a new idiot mucks up the page with badly formulated insults. Is there no way this page can be protected from people editing it who are not registered or can we just close the page to all edit except a select few.Reaper7 21:43, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

With all due respect, the vandalism here is infrequent and light. You could try requesting semi-protection for the page, but I would put long odds on that happening. As for editing being allowed by "a select few", this is a Wiki, so that's not going to happen! --Pak21 07:57, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

With all due respect what you said is called a lie. The vandalism on this page is constant. I suggest you look at the history. Reaper7 12:09, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Ummm.... WP:CIVIL, WP:AGF, WP:NPA and various other policies. If you look through my contributions, you'll note that I have removed some of the vandalism from this page. In comparision to many pages on Wikipedia, what is experienced here is light: pages which are given semi-protection typically get 3 or 4 vandalism incidents a day. You are more than welcome to go and request semi-protection; all I'm saying is that I don't think it will happen. --Pak21 13:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

"Olympiacos CFP is the gayest popular and one of the largest multisport clubs in Greece."

what the hell is with this kind of vandalism?

Still happening. The Politically Correct answer from Pak21 did not help, thanks anyway., Reaper7 19:18, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Most popular?

How come is the most popular? This needs referense. I don't remember any elections for this matter. Most of the polls, show that Panathinaikos and Olympiakos have more or less equal number of supporters.


The same (most popular??) applies to the characterization of basketball, volleyball, waterpolo and football (meaning soccer) as the four most popular sports. This is wrong. What about american football, baseball, or even [Badminton] ? citation needed, don't think u will find any!

Yes, it is the most popular based on every poll research made in Greece. Give the example of one poll that says Olympiakos and Panathinaikos have equal number of supporters. Also Olympiakos has the most sold tickets every year the last 20 years. Do u want to paste here all the sold tickets' lists of the past decades?

Yes, they are the most popular bitch because they're the best.

Maria (unregistered user) 26 Feb 2007: Although I do support the club, I also have issues with characterisations such as "most popular". This is supposed to be an encyclopedia, a scientific tool that we try to keep neutral. It does not honour anybody to have lines, like the one I've just deleted, cursing people in Greek, and it certainly doesn't help the club. Given the standards of Wikipedia, reading comments such as "most popular", without any reference on the measure of popularity used in this phrase or any reference to it, simply makes a third party dismiss the rest of the article too, for being too influenced by personal views.

Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popularity_of_Greek_teams


The wikipedia reference cited contains external links substantiating its contents

It's the most popular club because it has the most registered members, uh, i think that's the best citation you can get, as opposed to panathinaikos, who have less than half. How about that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.74.86.56 (talk) 17:46, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

There is no proof about "always" in "Olympiacos has always been the most popular Greek team." In http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popularity_of_Greek_teams and according to the last gallup (#8), Panathinaikos is the most popular club in the ages 55-64 and 64+, in people with higher education level, and the margin between Olympiacos and Panathinaikos supporters is under the statistical error for both the upper and lower middle class groups. So there is not enough evidence to conclude that Olympiacos is or has ever been the most popular football club in the middle class.Sofos (talk) 21:45, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Because the difference between the percentages of Olympiacos and Panathinaikos are smaller than the Margin of error for the polls #2, #4, #6, and #8 in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popularity_of_Greek_teams , we cannot say that Olympiacos has clearly the biggest fan base according to these opinion polls. The percentages of Olympiacos fans in the polls vary: 23-37% and not 30-35%. The difference between the percentages of Olympiacos and Panathinaikos are smaller than the Margin of error according to the #3 poll at least in the ages 15-17, 18-24, 35-44, and 45-54, according to the #4 poll at least in the ages 25-34, 55-64, 65+, and according to the #8 poll at least in the ages 25-34 and 55-64. So we cannot assume that Olympiacos is the most popular in most of the age groups. The polls for "Athens" are conducted in the metropolitan area of Athens-Piraeus and not just Athens. Sofos (talk) 23:19, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Football???

Please remember you are writing for a worldwide audience and disambiguate whaich of the many varieties of Football they play. I would like to see them take on the Chicago Bears. Maybe do half a game of each mode of football. Note that the article on the Chicago Bears says they play American football while the article on Manchester United F.C. says they play English football. Edison 18:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

The worldwide audience is clever enough to understand what football in Europe means.

This was meant to be an encyclopedian article, not a gossip one. There is no need to comment every european game or the last goal curse...

Edison, American, Canadian, Gaelic and Australian Rules football, though interesting in their own right, are just that... local sports which do not amount to anything more than a curiosity to a worldwide audience. Yes, we know... the term football is not the property of one particular code, but when a worldwide audience sees the word "football", they think of the world game. BTW, The Manchester United article does not say that the team plays English Football - it says they are an English (from England) club that plays Football. Dragases 11:17, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Olympiacos FC and Olympiacos CFP

This article needs to be broken up into two - Olympiacos FC (the football club) and Olympiacos CFP (the sports club). Dragases 08:02, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Damn right. I'm not even going to attempt disambiguation on Olympiakos until that's done. It seems bizarre that the article refers to CFP yet the infobox contains the FC's stats. extraordinary 12:21, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Proposals

It'd be interesting to get some opinions before we spilt the article.

Olympiacos for the sports club? Olympiacos CFP or Olympiacos FC for the football club? -Dragases 07:30, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually I don't agree to split the article. I don't think that it helps. See other articles S.L. Benfica, Fenerbahçe S.K., F.C. Porto, Sporting Clube de Portugal, Panionios. - Sthenel 09:18, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I beg to differ. You can probably do it for the smaller sports clubs, but not for the bigger ones whose various divisions have gone their separate ways. See Panathinaikos and Panathinaikos FC, Athlitiki Enosis Konstantinoupoleos and AEK Athens FC or AEK Athens BC, Aris Thessaloniki and Aris FC, Aris BC, and Aris VC. How about Beşiktaş Cola Turka and Beşiktaş J.K.? There are many more examples in Wikipedia. Dragases 02:20, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

The fact that Panathinaikos, AEK, Aris and PAOK have an article about the sport club doesn't mean that it helps anyone..Major clubs don't have such an article, see FC Barcelona and Real Madrid C.F. where one article is for the football and the other for the basketball team. And I don't think that the clubs I mentioned above are "small" clubs (Benfica, Porto, Sporting and Fenerbache), which have a football article which mentions other sections as well. - Sthenel 06:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

The fact that Panathinaikos, AEK, PAOK and Aris have separate articles for each of their major sports allows a reader to go to the sports club of the particular sport they desire. It also allows these articles to better focus the information on the relevant club (and related sport) instead of having to constantly tag on information to the article about the parent sports club, and thus making it too cumbersome (for want of better word) to read. Dragases 14:15, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
The page is simply too long, I don't really care how it is split, but it needs to be asap. There should be a page listing all the olympiakos sports clubs and one just purely for football. Reaper7 15:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Reaper 7, I think that it is recommended not to have totally empty sections in the articles... - Sthenel 16:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Sthenel, there is a process going on atm. What you see is not the finished product, a key theme of wiki is development. This is what you see. We now have an Olympiakos Vollyball, Basketball and water polo page. This will continue until we have one page dedicated to the biggest part of Olympiakos, Football. Reaper7 17:01, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't mean that we can have empty sections in the articles. That's why in these sections we don't have information about these departments since there are other articles about them. We only have the titles won. And this is the policy of wikipedia in this case. A small section about something which is detailed in another article, is preferable than an empty section. - Sthenel 00:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Which brings us back to suggestions on how to best split the article. Olympiacos for the sports club, Olympiacos CFP or Olympiacos FC for the football club? Dragases 04:14, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Olympiacos for the sports club, Olympiacos CFP for the football club. Reaper7 13:00, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Done. Olympiacos CFP is now the football club article. Dragases 09:49, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

First of all, splitting an article which is popular and long is not so simple. Second: the article you made was a copy-edit from the original article which was left almost unaffected. Third: the links throughout wikipedia lead to the original article and it's not so easy to change all of them. Fourth: Two persons are not enough to decide if and how they'll split an article. - Sthenel 10:33, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Fith: nothing will ever happen to this article with you here. If by the luck of the lord you were not here, we would now have two articles and be in the process of refining both. However you are here, so I am afraid you just lost another editor's interest, adio. Reaper7 10:46, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

The article is not mine so we should discuss in details how we can spliti it. And don't de offensive!! - Sthenel 10:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

So, my suggestion is: we move this article to Olympiacos FC (so there will be no problem with the links until they'll be fixed) and we remove all the non-football content. Olympiacos CFP will be the article of Olympiacos Sports Club, where all the departments will be referred. Is that OK? - Sthenel 11:26, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Now, Olympiacos FC for the football department, Olympiacos CFP for sports club. I hope everyone is happy with it. - Sthenel 12:21, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I disagree, undo it like you undid did ours, you have no majority. I believe Olympiacos CFP (the name on the football badge) should be for football and Olympiakos for the general team. Rerread your own fourth rule, sorry i mean 'Fourth rule.

Olympiacos CFP is the name of the club, not the name of the football department... I agree that the article about the club should be named Olympiacos, but we can change it when all the links in wikipedia which refer to the football section as Olympiacos are fixed. - -- Sthenel (talk) 21:36, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm with Reaper7 on this one. Though the name of the sports club is Olympiacos CFP, The term Olympiacos is more suited as an all-encompassing term for the sports club. Olympiacos CFP is the term UEFA use to refer to the football club. Dragases (talk) 14:17, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
BTW, Sthenel, two people are enough for a majority when there are only three people voting on how to split the article (and two agree). Dragases (talk) 14:20, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Do we speak the same language or not? I said that I agree that the club's article should be named Olympiacos instead of Olympiacos CFP, but this should change when most of the links in wikipedia are fixed. In addition to this, UEFA refers to all the clubs with their full names because UEFA doesn't have any problem of distinguishing the departments like wikipedia does, Olympiacos CFP stands for Ολυμπιακός ΣΦΠ and this is the official name of the club, which can be used by ULEB, UEFA or CEV etc. - Sthenel (talk) 15:10, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Do we speak the language? No need for that tone, you have simply been outvoted and done what you want anyway, but no need to be patronising. Reaper7 (talk) 15:15, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, you are right...I'm trying to explain something to whom...to someone who wants to turn a discussion into a war, to someone who has no ideas and doesn't read anything from what the others say because his will didn't come to reality in the way he wanted, even if he was wrong... - Sthenel (talk) 15:27, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't see anyone trying to start a war but you editing others edits claiming there needs to be a consensus and then you edit what you want without one and all you can do is throw insults. Reaper7 (talk) 15:46, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I did let you two split the article (although I didn't want to), because you were the majority and other people had asked it before. Additionally I helped to this being correctly. That's all. Bye! - Sthenel (talk) 16:21, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Name Transliteration

This is English Language Wikipedia, Sthenel. Will you please stop deleting the Greek transliteration of the name (Olympiacos Syndesmos Filathlon Peiraios)? - English speakers (ie. those that are not familiar with the Greek alphabet) will stumble through trying to pronounce Ολυμπιακός Σύνδεσμος Φιλάθλων Πειραιώς...

Like most other Greek football club articles, it makes more sense to write the Greek transliteration of the full club name rather than the Greek language name in the infobox. Also, like most other articles, it makes more sense to have the club name in the Greek Language in the opening paragraph as a introduction. Dragases 08:08, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
In the opening paragraph there is the greek name and the name in "Greeklish" relatively. In the infobox there must be the greek name (because this is the official name of the club-it's a greek club) and we can put the translation in English, as I already did. - Sthenel 12:33, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
The term "Σύνδεσμος" translates into Association or League, in English. And "Φίλαθλοι" into Fans, Sports Fans, or Friends of Sport. The most appropriate translation of the name in English seems to be "Olympiacos Association of Piraeus Sports Fans". And there's a case to be made for "Ολυμπιακός" being an adjective to "Σύνδεσμος", in which case the translation would be "Olympic Association of Piraeus Sports Fans". In any case, the translation currently exhibited on the page ("Olympiacos Fan's Club of Piraeus") is both inaccurate and bad English --note place of apostrophe. The Gnome 06:17, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
The club's name in English, though, is Olympiacos CFP (assumed to stand for Club of Fans of Piraeus), not Olympiacos APSF, Association of Piraeus Sports Fans (which, I agree, would be a more appropriate English translation).Dragases 00:35, 11 November 2007 (UTC) 09:03, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

This article

Is a complete and utter mess. So messy that after countless vandalism I had to revert to an outdated revision from April 30, 2007. I do not keep up with this club, so someone else will have to update it. There are also no references. To add onto that, there's a gigantic external links section that seems to link to every possible fan site and player site. CAN 00:29, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

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Subjective edits from opponent fans

The fact is that Olympiacos is the most popular Greek club and this phrase in the article has been linked to the article Popularity of Greek teams. It's like saying that Manchester United is the most popular club around the world, since you have the sources, which may be true and nothing is wrong with it. We should stop being prejudiced with this kind of expressions, when they are based on strong sources and not personal opinions or common sense. Editors who support other greek teams do costantly change this phrase, and they are "honored" although their will is to change anything they don't like in other clubs articles and make subjective edits in their club's article. - Sthenel 12:50, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


Friendship Clubs

There is a friendship with Red Star but who added Boca Juniors ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.49.71.133 (talk) 08:44, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Ban warning

Okay guys, I've had it. Both Sthenel (talk · contribs) and the anon user most recently editing from 85.72.173.36 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) are hereby put on a one-revert-per-week parole with respect to all articles dealing with Greek football. (As usual, reversion of obvious vandalism is exempt from this, but that explicitly does not cover either of these two parties reverting the other.) Moreover, both users are strictly banned from making any edit relating to the popularity of Greek football clubs that is not accompanied with a correctly cited source that supports precisely what the edit claims. Any failure to observe this rule will lead to a topic ban from all Greek football articles. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:36, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey

On European record i think as all team pages we shall have the seasons where the team progressed most in each competition.For example instead of having several seasons where the team reached the last 16 (which isn't much of a success anyway) we could have only the time where the team reached quarterfinals (for the UEFA Cup Winners' Cup) for example.What do you think? Eagle of Pontus (talk) 14:01, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

References

This page has got 0 references..????...and its rated a "Start"...people please start adding references...we are trying to get the "Big 3" (Olympiacos,Panathinaikos,AEK) at least rated a B The-Real-ZEUS (talk) 00:45, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I added some references and made a clean up. - Sthenel (talk) 19:23, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Inclusion of Erol Bulut

Please discuss here the inclusion of Erol Bulut in the list of Notable Former Players. So that we can generate a consensus and finish this edit war. Cenarium (talk) 13:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

For me he should not be listed. Not special to Olympiakos or any olympiakos fan group. Never a regular in his two years. Should not be under 'notable' players. Reaper7 (talk) 14:35, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
I have been editing it time and time again. He was brought to Olympiacos as a sub from a 2nd division club. Barely earned any starting 11 appearences, anybody who follows Olympiakos knows that this player isn't memorable. Unlike players like Rashidi Yekini (who came to the club as the African footballer of the year) or Zahovic, despite having more apperences Bulut wasn't a great signing for the club and the fans didn't treat him as a notable player. Thyra19257 (talk) 03:53, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
In my opinion he is not a notable player for Olympiacos. This because of his not memorable appearence for these 2 years. Billagelo (talk) 18:21, 15 May 2008 (EET)

In my opinion he should be listed why are players like Rashidi Yekini on the notbale players list? he barley played for Olympiakos he played overall 4 matches and Bulut played over 20 matches so I dont get the point why he is notable and why Bulut is not, Bulut played in the Champions League and even scored a winning goal against Real Madrid, I dont think the fans will forget that match, what has Yekini done that he is on the list? tell me please it doesnt make sense.Redman19 (talk) 15:32, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I removed him from the list :) I hope that we are all in peace now Redman19 (talk) 18:53, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Managers

where can i find a managers list of Olympiakos ? such a big club deserves to have one. Redman19 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 12:55, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Juan Arango

Someone wrote that Olympiakos signed Juan arango for 20,000,000 euros.That's nonsense please don't edit this page if u have groundless information RiMaO$ (talk) 21:40, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Superleague Formula templates

I've started a discussion about the use of the Superleague Formula templates on football club articles at Template talk:Superleague Formula following some discussion at Talk:Tottenham Hotspur F.C.. Since this article features the template, your views would be welcome. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:33, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Gate 7 accident

I think it should at least be mentioned in this page, as it is the worst accident in the history of greek sports and may one of the worst in the whole sports history. It is still a thing that affects the club in one way or the other.88.218.27.103 (talk)

Someone to delete the nickname "oi gavroi" in the infobox. These nicks aren't allowed in wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.178.248.239 (talk) 13:30, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

They call themselves "gavroi" [1] Kosm1fent Won't you talk to me? 13:44, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

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Cleanup required

This article requires a lot of cleanup to comply with the Manual of Style, both that of general articles, and the one used for football clubs. See existing Featured football articles for examples. For example, decorative use of fair-use club logos is not permitted. Titles should not contain extra bolding, and should be laid out as described in WP:MOSTITLE. The playing squad should use the standard template used Wikipedia-wide on football articles. Oldelpaso (talk) 15:23, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I see my changes have been reverted without discussion. The Manual of Style dictates a common layout used as a house style in Wikipedia articles. My changes were made in order to bring the article in line with it, please engage in discussion rather than simply blindly reverting, and do not remove cleanup tags without good reason. Only the first word of section titles should be capitalised, and the article title should not be repeated in them - see WP:MOSHEAD. Flags should not be included in titles, or in front of links - see WP:MOSFLAG. I converted the squad layout because the version I used is standard across Wikipedia and has the consensus of the Football Wikiproject. If anyone thinks a different squad template should be used, I suggest bringing it up there. Fair use logos are only permitted in specific circumstances laid out by the fair use policy. decorative use such using the Olympiacos crest in squad templates is not permitted. Oldelpaso (talk) 18:25, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the 2009/10 lineup box since it constitutes the policy on original research. Oldelpaso (talk) 15:07, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Edit request from Gamisou, 23 July 2011

{{edit semi-protected|answered=no}}


Gamisou (talk) 12:06, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

No edit request Jnorton7558 (talk) 13:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 31 December 2011

There are some players such as Giannis Zaradoukas that they need to change the team that they are on loan!!!


That is all!!!

Edit request on 31 December 2011

{{edit semi-protected|answered=yes} Just to correct the "on loan " players

Antony1994 (talk) 20:38, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 1 January 2012

FIX ON LOAN PLAYERS! I want semi-protected changed to free article

Antony1994 (talk) 19:45, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

You need to specify exactly what changes you would like to be made. Also, requests for unblock are made here, or ask the administrator who protected the page. – Kosm1fent 20:06, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 April 2012

Please remove the sentence "and promising American goalkeeper Sean Collins" from Olympiakos FC. This is untrue and did NOT happen. Edit 16/04/2012 - I cannot provide a source because it never happened. Show me proof that Olympiakos signed this player instead. It's nowhere to be found. - Thank you Kosm1fent! 99.254.219.145 (talk) 22:10, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 16:44, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

In any case, the existing sentence is unsourced as well. – Kosm1fent 16:55, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 Done – Kosm1fent 18:29, 16 April 2012 (UTC)


Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The discussion is well over a month old and has received zero attention. Therefore, I consider this a WP:SILENCE situation and go forward with the merge. – Kosm1fent 12:31, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

I propose that Olympiacos U-21 be merged into Olympiacos F.C.#Olympiacos U-21 squad. According to a deletion discussion from last year, there was a rough consensus that merging would be a better idea for the U-21 team article, which is not notable per WP:GNG and WP:FOOTYN. "Merging" in this case would mean adding a paragraph or two of prose, which will cause absolutely no length problems to the 66K-long Olympiacos F.C. article. – Kosm1fent 15:46, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related merger proposals. – Kosm1fent 15:57, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

There is a mistake that needs editing

"2011–12 Last 16 eliminated by Metallist Kharkiv 0–1 in Kharkiv, 1–2 in Piraeus"

Taking into account the format of the preceding results in the table its obvious that goals before the dash are always goals scored by Olympiacos and those following the dash scored by opponent teams regardless if home or away. With that in mind it should be "Metallist Kharkiv 1–0 in Kharkiv, 1–2 in Piraeus

http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2012/matches/round=2000274/match=2007452/index.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.6.18.199 (talk) 05:16, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

This is true. Fixed. – Kosm1fent 08:22, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

https://www.facebook.com/OLYMPIACOS.F.C.Official?ref=ts&fref=ts must be add to the external links Terenen (talk) 16:28, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

mistake

the "Current season" link - links to 2011-12 season. 13:40, 25 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.74.110.142 (talk)

no one fixed it yet. its been a long time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.74.110.142 (talk) 12:36, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism from user PA71

This user PA71 has repeatedly vandalized this page. I am looking forward to an admin intervention. Thanking you in advance, Gtrbolivar (talk) 17:14, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

You've reverted the vandalism, if it continues you can report the user at WP:AIV. NtheP (talk) 19:57, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 February 2014

we must change the club logo and put the one with the four stars on top of it. as we can see from the official olympiacos fc page in superleague greece site the logo is used officially for now on. http://www.superleaguegreece.net/team/251

Edit request on 25 January 2015

We should update the youth academy of Olympiacos F.C. The update can be found on http://www.transfermarkt.com/olympiakos-piraus-u20/kader/verein/7661/saison_id/2014

We should update the squad os Olympiacos F.C. The update can be found on http://www.transfermarkt.com/olympiacos-piraeus/startseite/verein/683/saison_id/2014#subnavi

Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2015

Someone should put on the loan listed players Alan Pulido's name. He is already in Greece and he signed his contract with Olympiakos F.C. and now he signed with Levadiakos F.C. on loan Please put his name in the page 89.210.7.251 (talk) 12:52, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 14:20, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
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