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Michael Rhodes Apologetics
[edit]I have serious problems with using Michael Rhodes Farm's articles as a source. He has published in Egyptological journals, and those would be fine, but the FARM's articles are apologetic, and would never meet the standard of getting published in any scholarly article. I propose removing those statements being attributed to him, or at the very least, move it down to an LDS scholarship section. Epachamo (talk) 20:10, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
- Valid point, however I am not sure if the citation here is that bad. It is providing evidence that the statement is a true belief of the LDS culture not whether it is verifiable with the language or other cultures. Don't you think? Fimbriata (talk) 21:43, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Fimbriata: There are several Rhodes I have with several of the Rhodes citations. I'll provide an example as why these citations don't work. "The explanations used to interpret these symbols by Smith have been correlated with the symbolism of the Seker-boat in the festival of Seker in Memphis, Egypt." Also was added a citation by Robert Ritner. I have three problems with this, first, it is presented as a valid Egyptological connection, something that Ritner himself specifically disputes in his book. A reader of this article as it stands would falsely come away thinking that Ritner actually supported the connection. Second, the Rhodes connection to the festival of Seker is WP:fringe, and would not make it past peer review. Providing it as evidence as a statement of a true belief of the LDS culture is ok on Wikipedia, but it must be presented that way, perhaps in a LDS cultural belief. Third, this is not completely representative of LDS Church scholarship. There is a sometimes bitter dispute going on in LDS academia between scholars like Richard Bushman who views the Book of Abraham as inspired pseudepigrapha by Joseph Smith, and scholars like John Gee who view the Book of Abraham as a literal translation of a historical record by Abraham. Epachamo (talk) 17:57, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
Thank you! - Fimbriata (talk) 16:02, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Fimbriata: There are several Rhodes I have with several of the Rhodes citations. I'll provide an example as why these citations don't work. "The explanations used to interpret these symbols by Smith have been correlated with the symbolism of the Seker-boat in the festival of Seker in Memphis, Egypt." Also was added a citation by Robert Ritner. I have three problems with this, first, it is presented as a valid Egyptological connection, something that Ritner himself specifically disputes in his book. A reader of this article as it stands would falsely come away thinking that Ritner actually supported the connection. Second, the Rhodes connection to the festival of Seker is WP:fringe, and would not make it past peer review. Providing it as evidence as a statement of a true belief of the LDS culture is ok on Wikipedia, but it must be presented that way, perhaps in a LDS cultural belief. Third, this is not completely representative of LDS Church scholarship. There is a sometimes bitter dispute going on in LDS academia between scholars like Richard Bushman who views the Book of Abraham as inspired pseudepigrapha by Joseph Smith, and scholars like John Gee who view the Book of Abraham as a literal translation of a historical record by Abraham. Epachamo (talk) 17:57, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
