Talk:Old medley

Move the Old medley article to the Genesis article

It appears the original nominator for the move (Ladybirdintheuk hasn't built a case as to why these two articles should be merged. Please discuss below. Thanks AreJay 13:08, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My own opinion is do not merge, simply because I think I can significantly improve the Old Medley article (beginning of course, by renaming the article "Old Medley" from the current title "Old medley")...there's a lot of information on the medley that I think I can add to improve the quality of the article. AreJay 13:08, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks AreJay. I added this proposed merge, as there didn't seem to be sufficient information/(and possibly importance, alhtough I haven't looked at the musical importance "rules" recently) to warrant an article specifically about it. If you disagree and want to add to the article that's fine by me :) -Ladybirdintheuk 13:39, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't it make more sense to merge it with Live/The_Way_We_Walk, Volume Two: The Longs, since the track does appear on that album as "Old Medley" nosebleed 15:15, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

These short articles really dont make much sense to me. It could be improved, but then again, with what?. Id say merge. Or at least do not leave at the current state.

I would merge it. I seriously doubt there is enough interesting material about it to warrant a seperate page. Snowbound 04:48, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with nosebleed, that it should be merged with Live/The_Way_We_Walk, Volume Two: The Longs since that's where it got its name. Mike

How about a merge into List of Genesis medleys? This also addresses the concern below. Rigadoun (talk) 15:40, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but the List of Genesis Medleys should be on the Genesis page. Genesis performed well over 50 different medleys (if my memory serves me right), so there is no reason to warrent the creation of a page just for one of their medleys, which is regarded by many Genesis fans as sub-par anyway. A page on its own dedicated to Genesis medleys wouldn't serve a lot of purpose unless there were some in-depth facts about each of the medleys. Daniel

Delete?

I'm sure this article could be improved, but does the article even need to exist?

Since 1981, maybe before depending on what you count, Genesis has played medleys of older material, any one of which could have been referred to at the time as the "old medley". With the release of the live album The Way We Walk Vol. 2, "Old Medley" recieved official status as the name of a track. I'm not sure whether this article is supposed to be about just the We Can't Dance Tour Old Medley, or the history of Genesis Old Medleys. (If it is just the WCD Tour Old Medley, then, as already suggested, say what needs to be said in the article for the album TWWW vol. 2.)

The article claims that M. Rutherford says the Old Medley got better over time. Is he reffering to the We Can't Dance tour Old Medley of 1992? The playing may have improved a bit as the tour progressed, but the medley was basically the same at every performance. Alternately, maybe he means that the old medley got better from one tour to the next. If he did mean that, he was speaking a little sloppily. There isn't really any continuous chain of old medleys you can point to that got better over time, as shown by this list of old medleys played in the last few Genesis tours with Phil Collins:

Abacab tour: In the Cage / Cinema Show / Slipperman / Afterglow

Mama tour medley #1: 11th Earl of Mar / Lamb Lies Down / Firth of Fifth / Musical Box

Mama tour medley #2: In the cage / Cinema Show / Slipperman / Quiet Earth / Afterglow

(both medleys were played at each show, #1 varied earlier in the tour)

Invis. tour - first leg: In the Cage / In that Quiet Earth / Supper's Ready

Invis. tour - second leg: 2nd leg: In the Cage / In that Quiet Earth / Afterglow

We Can't Dance Tour: Dance on a Volcano / Lamb Lies Down / Musical Box / Firth of Fifth / I Know What I Like (incl. short bits of Stagnation and more recent songs).

See, the We Can't Dance Tour seems to be a child of the Mama tour medley #1, and completly breaks with the In The Cage medleys from the other tours.

Anyway, so what? A well-known band played medleys of their material on tour. This is worthy of an encyclopedia article? I just don't see how, even in an encyclopedia which is as encyclopedic as Wikipedia. Keep it on Genesis fan sites. Delete everything just I've written and the article along with it.

(The existence of this article seems to be an example of a phenomenon by which a given thing is more likely to have an encyclopedia written about it if it has a well-established name. I conjecture that this phenomenon would have an article if it had a name.)

Merged

It looks like the consensus here was that the medley didn't deserve an independent article on Wikipedia. I have therefore moved its contents to Live/The_Way_We_Walk, Volume Two: The Longs. Merge_to and merge_from templates from this article and the Genesis main page will be deleted. AreJay 19:53, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]