Talk:Old Stock Americans

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Black People are Old-Stock Americans.

The ancestry of African-Americans is ALL colonial. They were part of the founding of the U.S - there's no historical reason why they shouldn't be considered Old Stock or Colonial American. 2603:7000:9306:F025:DDA:B3CD:FDED:8955 (talk) 03:51, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is pretty much a racial term but if you can provide a source we can talk..... But I suggest you read the sources here and over at American ancestry Moxy-

04:07, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You will not win this argument. There are many sources that define "Old Stock Americans" as all people of colonial descent white or black. Black Americans are a quintessentially American ethnic group that were here since the founding of this nation. There's no logical reason why they would not be. 2603:7000:9306:F025:DDA:B3CD:FDED:8955 (talk) 04:10, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Show us one pls. I suggest some basic reading...Building the myth of Black inferiority. Moxy-

04:17, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ohh, I will. There are many. You've started a war. Who was here in the Colonial period? Think about it. You cannot erase black Americans. They're more American that whites. 2603:7000:9306:F025:DDA:B3CD:FDED:8955 (talk) 04:22, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article is not about who was here but a term of art for the old white majority that dominated politics with the suppression of visible minorities and those of a different religion. "Becoming Old Stock: The Paradox of German-American Identity". Department of History. 2016-11-23. Retrieved 2023-11-25. Moxy-

04:56, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The term old stock American is defined as Americans with Ancestry in the colonial period. I already found 3 sources that include black people in the definition "those Americans, both black and white, whose ancestry dates from Colonial America" - from a Texas genealogy book 1976. You are going to lose this argument. I'm also going to add a subsection for Black Americans - who are the most American ethnic group by ancestry. 2603:7000:9306:F025:DDA:B3CD:FDED:8955 (talk) 05:07, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You might as well get ready - it's coming. LOL. 2603:7000:9306:F025:DDA:B3CD:FDED:8955 (talk) 05:10, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's not about winning or losing.... it's about regurgitating the sources. Moxy-

05:21, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Will do. There's even sources that call black people "old stock Anglo-American" from the 1950s. These are typically genealogy books. Don't be surprised when this page changes to rightfully include the MOST American ethnic group in the U.S. 2603:7000:9306:F025:DDA:B3CD:FDED:8955 (talk) 05:25, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Rjensen: anyway you can bring some insight or sources either way to this conversation?Moxy-

06:06, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Moxy has by far the best of this little argument. Anon has not found any published sources that support his imaginary case. Rjensen (talk) 10:55, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Rjensen "imaginary"? So I just imagined that black people were here in the Colonial period? LOL. OK. This is going to be funny when it drops. 2603:7000:9306:F025:78A6:E091:BDDF:D23 (talk) 00:41, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lewis, David Levering. "The Race to War / CLICK HERE READ ME".... Moxy-

02:31, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why no moderen day

If you scroll down to the section that says moderen day its blank it would be absurd if there were no info from the moderen day Boby123321 (talk) 05:06, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article is tone-deaf, provincial, and bloviating

This article sucks. Whoever wrote it comes across as a racist from the American South or Appalachia. Paragraphs like this probably violate the Wikipedia prohibition of "original work" and this article should be revised (or just deleted) by new volunteer editors:

"Freed English American indentured servants, along with Scottish Americans, Scotch-Irish Americans, Palatines and other German Americans arrived as hearty pioneers, taming harsh frontier wilderness to settle their own homesteads amid streams and hilly terrain, becoming old stock of the mountainous backcountry. To contrast against Yankee "Anglo-Saxon" democratic radicalism of New England, at times even English Americans in Dixie (especially in decades leading up to the American Civil War) would not only identify with chivalrous Cavaliers, but even assert a distinct aristocratic racial heritage as knightly heirs to the Normans who conquered and civilized 'barbaric' and unruly Anglo-Saxons of medieval England.[14][15][18][19][16]"

This is literally bullshit.

Respectfully, 2600:4040:5AEF:B400:3A05:6D92:454D:7606 (talk) 08:51, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]