Talk:Oklahoma runestones

I do not believe this page should be deleted because it deals with actual history and archeological finds in the Shawnee, Oklahoma region. You can check my sources none of this is made up.

Question on transliteration

I have to question the transliteration of the inscription as MEDOK. The second character looks to be the Eihwaz rune from the Elder Futhark which is generally transliterated as "æ," "ï" or occasionally as "y" (by those not familiar with creating extended-ASCII characters) and sounds more like a long "e" vowel than the short "e" usually implied by the use of the letter "E" in a runic transliteration. As for the fourth character, unless the carver extended the Othala rune considerably above the topline of all the other characters and then carved the top "/\" part of the character as being disconnected from the rest of the rune, the character would be the Gebo ("g" sound) rune, which resembles the Roman "X" letter. Also, in examining the fourth character the "/\" above it appears to be a natural feature of the rock, not an intentionally carved symbol. Granted "MYDGK" makes no sense as a word, but I believe that is a more accurate rendition of the characters. Thorswitch (talk) 00:08, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It makes no sense because it is a hoax to begin with. The current translation should be cited with inline sources(although it isn't), and any other "translations" should be cited to a reliable source as well. He iro 00:19, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree that the second character looks like an eihwaz at all. Transliteration in that case is pointless, as it's hard to know which rune the hoaxer intended, and in any case the inscription makes no sense. The circumflex is not natural. http://www.flickr.com/photos/photosbyrca/5140089961/sizes/l/in/set-72157625298559088/ A transliteration hence should rather be M?DĜK, with the ? most likely IMO being an L. Which of makes absolutely no sense. The main problem though, is that it's such an obvious fake that no serious and reliable source can even be coaxed in to saying it's a fake. Hence this unsourced article. :) Anyway, I'll remove the transliteration claim, as it's not really possible to transliterate it, as the runes are simply wrong. --OpenFuture (talk) 08:06, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

The ending of the story appears to be incomplete. Jackiespeel (talk) 10:56, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like everything that suggests it is a hoax is omitted. Bad, bad article. 162.232.246.7 (talk) 03:54, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"pseudoarchaeology"

It's only "pseudo" if you claim it is medieval. As far as I can see, nobody does. The stone was found in 1969, and it was made either in the 19th or in the 20th century "Viking revival". Perhaps even in 1969. Another question is that of notability, but it can always be merged into "Oklahoma runestones". --dab (𒁳) 12:23, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This refers to the alleged Shawnee runestone. Gloria Farley (who despised all non-Christian Indians) believed it was real.[1] Sadly, a university press book also does [2] "Two years after the Foteau runestone was found, another incredible find was made by Jim Estep. In August 1969. he was hiking along a tributary of the North Canadian River near Shawnee— 150 miles west of the Heavener-Poteau discoveries—when something moved him to turn over a small slab of red sandstone. Although Estep did not realize it at the time, the stone bore five runic symbols. Later it proved to be one of the latest dated runestones yet found in Oklahoma, carved on November 24, 1024, exactly twelve years and thirteen days after the great Heavener runestone. Today both it and the Poteau rune-stone rest on exhibit at the Kerr Museum near Poteau. The enigma of the Viking explorers is yet unsolved. Many believe that they were not Vikings at all but early German colonists who explored the Arkansas and its tributaries some time after 1720—colonists who were led by a Swedish captain capable of carving runes from two widely separated alphabets.51 If only the stones could talk. ..."(viewall, p 34). This[3] doesn't. Dougweller (talk) 13:30, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Popular culture

Runestone, by Don Coldsmith, is a novel about a Norse explorer who travels to Oklahoma and carves the Heavener runestone early in the 11th century. (He meets Thorvald Eiriksson when he first arrives in America.) He is accompanied only by Indians; hence the lack of any other indications of a Norse presence in the area. 71.235.184.247 (talk) 00:25, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]