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These data are related to an association. This data is'nt of general Odinism; it's doing an advertising. ¿Is it correct to put an advertising in wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saripsa (talk • contribs) 12:43, 30 March 2009‎

Yes is full correct, Comunidad Odinista de España-Asatru, is the only one odinist religious organization recognized by the spanish government. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ernust (talk • contribs) 20:38, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there are enough reliable sources to establish notability. But you need to reader and understand WP:COI carefully, and should probably not be editing this article, since you are the leader and co-founder of the organization that is the subject of this article.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  10:03, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 21 October 2015

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Rescinded by nominator. The RM was predicated on claim that appears to have been false (and was unsourced). I think per WP:ABOUTSELF we can accept the statement by the group's co-founder and present leader (Ernust, below) that the name did not actually change.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  07:19, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Odinist Community of Spain – Ásatrú → European Odinist Circle – Organization changed its name several years ago. It is not well-known enough (in English, at least) that a WP:COMMONNAME issue could arise, and we would not use any of its Spanish names, per WP:USEENGLISH. Current title is also awkward and confusing.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  10:03, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Oppose : Confusing or not Odinist Community of Spain – Ásatrú is the current title right now and furthermore the one recognized by the Spanish Ministry of Justice. European Odinist Circle is an alternate name given, not legal at all but common and widely used in some of COE articles. As far as I know, the European Odinist Circle might actually be used by Catalonian and Basque kindreds for identity reasons.--Gilwellian (talk) 19:21, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose :--Ernust (talk) 20:35, 21 October 2015 (UTC) Legal name duly registered in the application form of the Religious Office (Spanish Ministry of Justice) is Comunidad Odinista de España – Ásatrú. See here. COE never changed its name but used Circulo Odinista Europeo for other reasons of internal as well as administrative affairs.--Ernust (talk) 20:35, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Discussion

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  • Re: "European Odinist Circle is an alternate name given, not legal at all" – If that's actually the case, the article text (which included the claim that the organization had been renamed, not that it had also adopted an alternative, before I arrived here) will need to be adjusted to fit the reality (and the order of the names in the lead flipped back to put the OCoS–A first). That said, you are both clearly directly involved in this organization and should not be editing this article. It would be most appropriate if you used the talk page to provide sources for what you're saying above (e.g. published copies of these applications, etc.), and let other editors work on this article (here, and at es.wikipedia, etc.), per WP:Conflict of interest. While this article was not full of WP:PEACOCK wording, it always arouses suspicion of promotionalism (see above thread) when the leader and a member of an organization are trying to write the Wikipedia articles about it and (in Ernust's case) himself.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  12:40, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • This article has not had problems until your speculative editions. About Ernust, the first rule on Wikipedia is to presume good faith. No one can say that the article has been written for and by promotional interest up to date, so why are you arguing about?. Therefore, I am kindly asking that before edit wrongly please ask who knows the subject better and look for consensus, because your last edition did not fit at all to real facts. Thank you.--Gilwellian (talk) 20:37, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • This article had an almost overwhelming number of problems when I arrived at it, including promotional-sounding tone, ungrammatical writing, off-topic material, poor structure, malformed citations, broken links, bad language coding, incorrect style markup all over the place, lack of wikilinking, and a dozen of other obvious issues. I've assumed no bad faith on anyone's part, only pointed to where our relevant policies are. And see above on this talk page; others have in fact questioned whether this article was too promotional in nature; you are shooting the messenger. I spent several hours working on this to save it from probable targeting for deletion. You're welcome. But you'll never get another second of work on it out of me again, with this accusatory, hostile attitude. PS: Actually, I did take the time to remove the claim that the group was renamed (which pre-dated my involvement with this page), and I added a {{Refimprove}} tag; most of the article is unsourced, and the es.wikipedia version has almost twice as many sources, so start there. For my part, I'm done here. I've asked the WP:COINB for some additional watchlisters on this page, but I'm now just going to walk away from it, and regret having taken the time to work on this article so much.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  06:02, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • And one more thing, the organization had been not renamed, both names are being used interchangeably, and one of them is legally registered in the records of the Ministry of Justice as noticed.--Gilwellian (talk) 20:41, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, that was already asserted earlier (so it's not "one more thing"). Neither view has any sources cited for it, and I already asked for sources, and you've not provided them. It's probably safe to assume "was not renamed" is true, so I'm closing the move request, but this article's ver spotty sourcing needs to be addressed. Probably 2/3 of it can be deleted as unsourced.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  07:19, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You asked for sources about the name only, and Ernust already posted this which is the only valuable one. You amended the article without verifying the accuracy of changes and are asking for more now? Oh, well... you can find more information on this in the following books:
  • Religion in Spain: Bahá'í Faith in Spain, Religion in Spain, Comunidad Odinista de España-Asatru, Hinduism in Spain General Books LLC (2010) ISBN 1-156-58335-7 (in English)
  • Hernando de Larramendi, Miguel y García Ortiz, Puerto Minorías religiosas en Castilla-La Mancha Fundación Pluralismo y Convivencia y la Universidad de Castilla-La Mancha, p. 311 y siguientes. Icaria editorial. ISBN: 978-84-9888-025-0 (in Spanish)--Gilwellian (talk) 19:59, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Holidays

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The Holidays section is completely unsourced and mostly is just a list and description of general Asatru/Odinist holidays. I don't think it adds anything to the notability of the group so I suggest removing it. Cheers, IrishStephen (talk) 15:19, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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