Talk:October 2022 British cabinet reshuffle

Proposed deletion

This was not a Cabinet reshuffle, it was the formation of a new ministry (from Truss to Sunak). A reshuffle takes place during the lifetime of a ministry, not at its creation. These are significant political events, whereas the subject described in this article is not. I therefore propose that this article be deleted per Wikipedia:Credible claim of significance. Willwal1 (talk) 19:59, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also, many of the previous positions stated are incorrect, Andrew Mitchell was not and has never been MoS in the Wales Office for example. 1234567jack (talk) 08:35, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Another notable error is that Badenoch also held both her trade related positions in the Truss ministry. Yohannanx (talk) 14:46, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly disagreed. Firstly, WP:RS clearly call it a reshuffle, and there so many articles across the spectrum on this that WP:Significance really doe snot hold here; they have overhauled nearly the whole cabinet, that is significant, and very rarely it will not be. Besides it is the same government that was elected in 2019. The change of prime minister does not change that, it is the same government and the same ministry different prime minister does not change that. The fact each new prime minister decides on overhauling the previous cabinet is a different matter altogether, but it is still a reshuffle. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:18, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with deletion; this article does not warrant its own existence as the Sunak ministry article is more than capable of containing any needed information from here.Yeoutie (talk) 16:52, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 28 October 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page not moved (nomination withdrawn). Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 14:30, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

October 2022 British cabinet reshuffle → Formation of the Sunak ministry – This article describes the formation of a new government ministry, not the reshuffling of an existing one. The proposed new title would more accurately reflect the political circumstances of a new Prime Minister forming their own administration. Willwal1 (talk) 13:36, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose per WP:OR. Firstly, WP:RS clearly call it a reshuffle, and there so many articles across the spectrum on this that WP:Significance really does not hold here; they have overhauled nearly the whole cabinet, that is significant, and very rarely it will not be. Besides it is the same government that was elected in 2019. The change of prime minister does not change that, it is the same government and the same ministry different prime minister does not change that. The fact each new prime minister decides on overhauling the previous cabinet is a different matter altogether, but it is still a reshuffle. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:04, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think there is an important constitutional point to be made here. Yes, the government (/ministry) will be formed from MPs who sit in the current Parliament (last elected in 2019), but there is a reason why we call it the "Sunak ministry" and not the "Third ministry of the 58th UK Parliament". That reason is that, by current constitutional convention, the government is formed by the party leader who commands the confidence of a majority of MPs. Since July, we have seen two governments brought down by political/constitutional crises in which the Prime Minister lost the confidence of their parliamentary colleagues. This is why new leaders have been elected and new ministries have been formed. I would therefore reason that your statement, 'it is the same government that was elected in 2019' is not accurate.

Hypothetical scenario: hung Parliament in which party A and party B have a similar number of seats, but neither has a parliamentary majority alone. The monarch invites the leader of party A to form a government after they secure the support of party C (giving them a majority). After a few months, party C ends their support for party A and announces that they will support party B instead. When the leader of party B is invited to form a government, they are not reshuffling the previous government that had been formed by party A. They are forming a new government.

The term "reshuffle" refers to a specific political event in which the Prime Minister recommends that the monarch appoint new ministers to replace a significant number of previous officeholders who have already served in that PM's government. That is why there is much political commentary about reshuffles as an exercise of the Prime Minister's authority (see 2018 British cabinet reshuffle for an example of an unsuccessful attempt of this by Theresa May, which is thought to have exposed her not-so strong and stable leadership. This was not the case when Truss and Sunak were appointed. Willwal1 (talk) 19:04, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Sunak ministry -- see Talk:September 2022 British cabinet reshuffle for similar discussion. Willwal1 (talk) 19:11, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.