Talk:Octet (Christensen)

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Your proposed deletion of Octet, a ballet by William Christensen (cross posted from User talk:Manderson198)

I have been documenting New York City Ballet on Wikipedia, or trying to, for the past few months: City Ballet has the largest rep. of any ballet company in the world.

Out of respect for the composers they've worked with, Igor Stravinsky among them, their choreographers often name their dances with the title of the music. Since more than one choreographer may make a dance to the same piece of music this results in more than infrequent ambiguity, and such is the case here.

William Christensen (and his brothers) were founders of the San Francisco Ballet. William went on to found Ballet West in Salt Lake City. He choreographed the first Coppélia in the US in the thirties, the first complete Swan Lake and the first Nutcracker in the forties.

The ambiguity arises in that Peter Martins, City Ballet's current ballet master in chief, has also made a dance to the same music. If one is to post an article on Mattins' dance, fairness demands that Christensen's also be (and good housekeeping says they should be cross linked.)

You write that you appreciate music; I do so as well, having a particular interest in the intersection of dance and music, and trust that you do not hold the former against me. Robert Greer (talk) 04:13, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. The article is referenced to the extent that the Internet permits, NYCB's website and the University of Utah's library, the ballet predating the World Wide Web by nearly fifty years. May I refer you to various conversations concerning the pecularities of ballet on Wikipedia that you will find on my talk page?

Octet and other ballet productions

I do indeed have a profound respect for ballet and dancers in general. I was just making a note that that particular production may not be significant enough to have its own separate article (apart from the general article List of New York City Ballet repertory). I may be wrong, and am sure you have a greater knowledge of ballet than I do. I meant no disrespect, if that is what you interpreted my proposal to be.--Manderson198 (talk) 04:17, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Octet

May I ask then that you remove your request that Octet (Christensen ballet) be deleted, or that you contact a Wikipedia administrator to retract that request? User talk:DGG is a graduate librarian and Wiki. admin. whom makes a speciality of rescuing articles unjustly proposed for deletion. Robert Greer (talk) 14:25, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Prod removed

I removed the proposal for deletion. Cheers. Manderson198 (sprech) 14:40, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DGG has alread rescued Octet

User talk:DGG is a graduate librarian and Wiki. admin. whom makes a speciality of rescuing articles unjustly proposed for deletion. In the time that I have spent undoing the damage you've caused I could have written three articles -- and suggest that you might spend more time writing articles and less proposing deletion of others work in fields of which you are not knowledgable. I apologize for the ill-spirited nature of this reply but have had similar problems with other Wikipedians; you however appear to be far better educated than the rest and should therefore be held to a higher standard. Robert Greer (talk) 14:45, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I believe I saved the article from deletion by removing my prod, DGG just suggested to you that to have a stronger notability case, reviews of the production shoiuld be added. Anyways, case closed and happy editing.--Manderson198 (sprech) 14:50, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you did, though DGG wrote, "tag no longer needed -- just add some reviews" (emphasis added). I was looking up the University of Utah information at the time that you tagged the article for deletion. Having found the reference I added that to the article but decided not to do any further work on it till the deletion issue was resolved.

This morning, case closed, I added the NY TImes review (reviews of dances made before 1981 are especially tricky to find, and dance has always been the most poorly documented of art forms.) You have thus embarassed me before the esteemed DGG (I am not writing sarcasticaslly.)

It really bothers me to be in such a bad temper during the holiday season, but you don't seem the least bit apologetic and don't seem to have learned a thing from this. Judging by the articles you've written, you may be an academic.

The first rule of academia is to stick to those disciplines in which you are competent, and you are proposing deletion of articles about which you know nothing. Wikipedia regrettably encourages such behavior and yours is assuredly not the worst.

But since you are educated, one would hope that you would hold yourself to a higher standard. Robert Greer (talk) 16:01, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It could be argued that all productions of ballets by major companies are notable, since in practice they all get reviewed. However, since they do, the reviews should be found and added, both to show the notability clearly, and-- more important---to provide a source of more information beyond the WP article. An adequate basic article has been written, and the thing to do now is to add to it. DGG (talk) 17:42, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good friends, we are all equal here, and are judged by what we contribute. and I don't see how being a librarian gives me any special skill in dance. We are all here to write good articles, and that has been started for this one. As I say on my user page, one article at a time. DGG (talk) 20:13, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

move to Octet (Christensen)

May this be moved to Octet (Christensen)? Christensen ballet is redundant. — Robert Greer (talk) 13:39, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation hatnotes on this page

There appears to be disagreement on whether disambiguation hatnotes on this page and Octet (Martins) are appropriate. I have started a discussion on Talk:Octet (Martins) regarding a similar issue there, which editors of this page may be interested in, since I believe the issues are identical. --MegaSloth (talk) 00:17, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]