Talk:Octagon Round Barn, Indian Creek Township

development?

User:Farragutful, I found my way to this article when looking at unillustrated NRHPs in Story County. Then I wondered about the sentence "The barn has deteriorated significantly and it is essentially a pile of wood now." (emphasis added by me) which I don't exactly cotton to. It is followed by a reference to the Dale Travis webpage on round barns in Iowa, with the reference giving 2011 access date. The Dale Travis website currently self-reports that it has been updated through November 27, 2022.

I was wondering if the sentence in the article fairly be revised to remove the word "now", as in perhaps: "As of 2011 the barn had deteriorated significantly and was essentially a pile of wood", or "By 2011 the barn had deteriorated significantly, and since has been completely removed."

But actually, is it the barn IA-85-02, in which case it seems that "deteriorated" was true earlier, in 2000, as shown in a photo apparently from then, and further there is an assertion that the barn is GONE.

For the record, as of now in 2023:

• The Dale Travis webpage on round barns in Iowa currently shows revision date Nov 27, 2022 and states, for barn IA-85-02, status = GONE, and "S. of Nevada, section 6, Indian Creek Township 620th S. 3.9 miles from jct with US30 at the SW corner of Nevada, E. on 280th 0.5 miles to the barn on the S. side of the road. Octagon, no cupola, modified hip roof. (This barn is now a pile of wood - 10-23-00 - DJT)."
• The Dale J. Travis subpage on barn IA-85-02 currently shows a photo and "(70', 188x, IA-85-02 - This barn is now a pile of wood.) S. of Nevada, section 6, Indian Creek Township, Story County, IA. 620th S. 3.9 miles from jct with US30 at the SW corner of Nevada, E. on 280th 0.5 miles to the barn on the S. side of the road. (10-23-00, N41° 56.994', W93° 27.160')"

How about: "As of 2000 the barn had deteriorated significantly and was essentially a pile of wood. It has since been indicated by Dale J. Travis to be gone entirely."

Or: "By 2000 the barn had deteriorated significantly and in 2000 was essentially a pile of wood. It has since been demolished."<ref name=djt-IA-85-02>

References

I think either of those is accurate, and that it's proper not to say when specifically the barn was completely demolished, except I would say it was completely demolished by 20XX if I knew DJT had indicated "GONE" by a given date in 20XX in which you or I accessed DJT's pages and saw that. Currently I'd only be willing to state it was demolished by 2022, going on DJT's Nov 27, 2022-dated webpage. What do you think? Go ahead and edit in the article, please?

I will also email Dale, with whom I've corresponded, to verify this is accurate and also to ask if the photograph is from October 23, 2000 and was taken by him, or by whom, and if he knows when the barn was "GONE". I might as well ask if he could upload the photo to Commons so we could use it directly, esp. as we're not about to get a new photo of the now-probably-long-gone barn. Though possibly a historic photo of the barn still standing might be found sometime. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 03:14, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

T.T. Bowman Round Barn?

T.T. Bowman Round Barn, photographed by "cwwycoff1" in 2009. This was previously (incorrectly) included in "Octagon Round Barn, Indian Creek Township" article

Also, i saw that there used to be a photo in this article, and that you edited at Commons to ensure that it was clarified the photo is of a different barn, the T.T. Bowman Round Barn, and that the file was renamed, etc. With your relying on the DJT webpages to assess that. Apparently, per DJT, the TT Bowman Round Barn (identified by DJT as "IA-85-01") is in fact in Indian Creek Township, but it was incorrect to include the photo in this article which is about a different Indian Creek Township barn ("IA-85-02").

But where is that barn, and shouldn't we have it covered? What do you know about it? That photo is not currently used in English wikipedia. It's not in List of round barns in Iowa (it certainly should be added there). It should be used in Story County, Iowa article or a town article. I dunno if the topic should get a separate article or not. I dunno if it could be an official town or county landmark, or what. The current Commons info is:

• Camera location: 41° 57′ 00″ N, 93° 27′ 06″ W
• Description, English: The T.T. Bowman Round Barn in Indian Creek Township, Story County, Iowa, United States. This is not the Octagon Round Barn, Indian Creek Township, located off County Road 14S south of Nevada, which is listed on the National Register of Historic Places. That was a wooden structure that is significantly deteriorated.

DJT's Iowa page currently says for IA-85-01: "S. of Nevada, section 5, Indian Creek Township. 19th St. S. 3.0 miles from jct with US30 at the SE corner of Nevada, E. on 270th St. 0.5 miles, S. on 640th Av. 1.1 miles to the barn on the W. side of the road. T.T. Bowman, true round barn, clay tile, cupola, conical roof, used for horses, very good condition."

DJT's subpage for IA-85-01 currently shows a photo reported taken also on October 23, 2000, with horses, which would be nice to have at Commons also, and text: "(T.T. Bowman, 50', 1916, IA-85-01) S. of Nevada, section 5, Indian Creek Township, Story County, IA. 19th St. S. 3.0 miles from jct with US30 at the SE corner of Nevada, E. on 270th St. 0.5 miles, S. on 640th Av. 1.1 miles to the barn on the W. side of the road. (N41 56.919 W93 25.558) Photo 10-23-00."

User:Farragutful, what do you know, think? --Doncram (talk,contribs) 03:14, 17 January 2023 (UTC)